Nobody expected Donald Trump to win Iowa a few weeks ago…
He was just too outside the box for conservative and religious based Iowa. However, Trump’s gotten so much media coverage and the polls had him ahead going into Monday’s voting.
Yet Ted Cruz won the Iowa caucus 27% to Trump’s 24%.
Was it a fatal loss for the Donald? Maybe.
The bigger issue seems to be the strong showing by Marco Rubio who finished third not far behind with 23% of the vote. Everyone else was pretty much a no-show.
As for Hillary Clinton, she didn’t lose but she didn’t really win either.
Upstart Bernie Sanders and Hillary were in nearly a tie with 50% of the vote each. Hillary has just a few more votes and was the close winner.
Do we really know what this means?
Observers feel that the real winners are Rubio and Sanders… for now.
If Rubio can win New Hampshire it might be his moment to take over. His conservative but somewhat moderate views are getting traction. His charismatic looks and Kennedy type youthful appeal serve him well. Most feel he will overcome Cruz from here on out, so his close numbers in Iowa were really a win for Rubio.
So where does Donald Trump stand?
Clearly the polls are not on target. Trump’s expected to do well in New Hampshire. And now it’s critical that he win that battle. If Rubio takes New Hampshire it’s likely the new momentum will carry him over Trump and Cruz.
However Trump is still the face to beat, but now he’s beatable.
As for Hillary and Bernie, its going to be a dogfight.
Hillary probably would have won theDemocratic nomination with ease had it not been for all the liar attacks and her well publicized, questionable moves over the last years. It’s a matter of trust and she undoubtedly lost a lot support.
If one thing leads to another we could see an unexpected presidential election between Sanders and Rubio. Rubio may be the Republican’s best bet to defeat the democratic nominee if Trump doesn’t get the nod.
Another interesting number; 180,000 voted in Iowa compared to 120,000 last time out. The young democrats voted 83% for Sanders over Hillary. Not good for Clinton. But that’s Iowa, let’s see what the others do coming up.
Trump has had all the media attention for the most part. He’s been on the cover of everything. Now expect to see much more media on Rubio and Cruz and Bernie.
My guess is the media will lean to the young handsome Rubio.
But don’t worry, Trump will still get plenty of looks, but now he has to formulate a stronger plan, not just attack his other contenders the way he has. He needs to become presidential. Can he do that?
Donald Trump came out of nowhere at a time America was looking for change and someone who would tell it like it is. However it may be Rubio not Trump that Republicans see as a winner. Personally I’ve been impressed with Trump’s run thus far, but his lack of background in world politics and no real plan to fix America may do him in. Only time will tell. It’s up for grabs.
As for Bush and the other Republicans, this race is over.
They need to drop out so their supporters can choose between Cruz, Rubio and Trump. They’re all just too far behind.
So who wins? Oh brother, it’s going to be a wild finish.
Jeb! will be in it for a good while. Guy has hella campaign cash in the bank.
Agreed. He can’t win but he hangs in there. Not sure why. The others want the media attention to sell books, bolster their names for other political spots, guest speakers get paid tons with names like they build up…Jeb doesn’t need that. so who knows why.
Trump has a huge huge lead in New Hampshire. So he wins that one, question will be by how much. Who is in second and how far back.
Rethugs:
Trump will probably win new Hampshire and once the primary heads to
the south trump will again triumph. He’s got to spend money now that
he almost moveddown to third in iowa. But iowa is an aberration in the
primaries. All white/Christian/evangelical etc. which is why
thud won it. Nothing new….last 2 winners of iowa faded out….so will
cruz.
I look for trump to be nominee because once he’s out of the north and gets
into the south he gets the rednecks/losers/poor people/gun boys etc.
on his side and if he can put together a ground game and get his boys to the
polls he gets the nomination. And he’ll get his a$$ kicked in the general.
DEMS:
Hillary will pop up once the elections are out of “white ” country….iowa and
new Hampshire. Once they get to the south sanders has no support except
college students and the far left of the dem party. Superdelegates are going
heavily for Hillary and she’s probably got around 1000 by now to the 10-20
sanders has. It will be a race ….but a very calm one. Sanders can’t win this
but he’s got money to stay in the race but in the end whether in april or
May, Hillary will move away and take the nomination. Get into areas
where there are blacks and Hispanic and middle class females and Hillary
will take the nomination.
Hearne has not put up my comments about trump. Opposition research is
showing that trump is not the businessman many people thought. Right now
he is one billion in debt in cas h and owing. He’s declared bankruptcy 4 times
nd taken down many people/banks and companies with him. A trillion dollars
in loans gone bad…someone has to make them up. Plus he’s depended on the
Saudis to bail him out….giving him 1 billion dollars for a boat and giving trump
money to keep his buildings open. Hes not the businessman people think he
is and that’s where he’s going to get ripped~~~~~~~~
As I said before Hillary will win this. She’ll probably take Castro from HUD
as her vice president then lock down 80-90% of the Hispanic vote (by the way
since 2012….6 million Hispanics have been added to voter rolls….they’re voting
for Hillary and even states like texas could be in play this year.
So glaze…stick with Harley….he knows all~
I look for Trump to fade, after his redo and disqualify Cruze comments, as well as some of the other comments he’s made, Muslims, women, and every other group he’s offended. Cruze is something else, but I look for Trump and Cruze to take eachother out. The best Presidents we have had are moderates, from Clinton and Kennedy to Reagan and Lincoln. You need look no further than the makeup of Congress to see what extreme partisanship does after Bush and Obama. I look for money to have less influence on an election, from Bush spending $3000 per vote in Iowa to some of the Congressional elections where the spenders actually lost. From a non-partisan view, there are problems with every candidate, and if the Cruze camp committed a misdimeanor in Iowa, then you have to look at Clinton and potential felonies. Your comment about Trump going through bankruptcy four times is a little inacurate. He, personally has never filed, but four of his companies (separate organizations) have. I was fortunate to have been able to use one of them to shave 1/8 of a point off a mortgage. Yes Hillary has the delegates to win going away, but her biggest problem is the FBI. The FBI does not investigate things. They invetigate people, and they very seldom do or say anything in public before the indictment. I do not see Hillary beating the rap.
“Nobody expected Donald Trump to win Iowa a few weeks ago…”
He was leading in the polls a few weeks ago.
Trump is calling for a do-over today.
Seems the tea bagger Cruz who is so concerned about voter fraud in general elections had some campaign staffers committing fraudulent acts up in Iowa.
The GOP is a dumpster fire.
Dude is right. Bush is still in this.
Now that the actual counting has begun on the GOP side, the anti-establishment voters out there will be forced to take a realistic look at the election. Yeah, they all hate Washington and the “insiders” but they will have to face the reality that they must defeat Hillary at all costs and who has the most realistic shot at doing that? The RNC is run by pragmatics. They follow the Al Davis mantra of “Just win baby”. There is no organization that is more “Establishment” than the Republican Party. They don’t let outsiders win their nomination. Vegas realizes this and Rubio went from 1 in 3 odds to win the nomination before the Iowa caucus to the odds on favorite now. Bush is still a longer shot but he is 4th on the list now. The anti-establishment lane is going to end in the next 2-3 months. Cruz can’t win and Trump can’t win in November. Cruz has pi$$ed off every GOP senator and they have enormous clout in their own states. Cruz is positioning himself to become the Sarah Palin of this cycle. He’ll write a book, go on the speaking tour, maybe have a show on Fox. Trump will return to the business/entertainment arena. Their support has to go somewhere. Now that Carson, Paul, Santorum, Huckabee, and soon to be others have quit the race, the establisment candidates will eventually be the recipients of that support. Rubio is now clearly the leader in the establishment lane but as you look at the rest of the people in this lane (Bush, Christie, and Kasich) Jeb is pretty clearly in 2nd place behind Rubio. With the “family compound” right next door in Maine, Bush should finish in the top two of the establishment candidates in New Hampshire and if that happens, money and support starts flowing again to him. He already has money and a strong team around him.
As our political prognosticator, Harley has pointed out, the process on the democratic side of the aisle has already started assigning “super delegates” and Hillary has a 300+ lead over Sanders right now. While the Democratic establishment is not quite as powerful as the Republican establishment, they are pretty solidly behind Hillary. They realize that the “Democratic Socialist” moniker that Sanders wears so proudly would turn off too many of those independent voters in the general election.
Nobody here has better insight into how the Republican party operates than our own Professor Sutherland. I’d love to read his analysis of how he thinks the process will play out on the way to the GOP nomination. CFP Cowboy has also dabbled in GOP politics at the state level so I’m curious what he thinks as well.
The game has begun as now the votes are counting. It’s going to be a fun ride.
Yeah, I know Harley, Clinton beats Rubio in a landslide. I do still see a way for it to end up Clinton vs. Bush however.
stomp: bush just happened to fall asleep. Heshould have run in
2000 and not had to live under the thunder of his brothers lies/treason/
schemes and along with cheney throw us into a war that would not
only cost us 5000 brave soldiers but also leave us with about 250,000
wounded warriers the nation will have to take care of.
The VA’s have been flooded….after this war where the major injury
was head trauma….hard to blame Obama for that. He got us out of
there.
I visit the VA in kc every 3 months and learn of the shortage of
doctors (1 endocrinologist at kc va) for about 100-150k patients.
The va’s were ripped off under bush…no money sent there to improve
facilities…and had we not gone to Iraq the overload would have
been lessened.
No bush won’t make it. Seems like a good man but he’s got the
baggage of what his brother left us and America is tired of the bush’s.
8 years was enough….he’s got no chance to do anything.
His 118 million dollars can’t hide the fact that we’re tired of these
people and the hellacious damage he did (militarily and economically)
during his brothers reign of lies.
I want trump as the repub nominee. I want to rip his arrogant
attitude and when America finds out the real trump (like they found
out the real Romney) he’ll be blasted. If not for the uneducated
republicans that support trump he’d be no where. Please…rethugs…
I want Hillary and Donald up for 6 debates. She’ll make him like the
dog he is.
Just wait boys….trump has some baggage that will make you sick.
reasonable analysis, stomper, but even if Bush comes in second, i don’t think he has staying power the rest of the way or is strong enough to win in nov.
i still wouldn’t be surprised to see a battle at the convention, maybe even a draft, and especially so if trump trumps.
Hey Stomper did u know Archie Gouldie the real Stomper died Sauturday Jan 23rd? I tried to get Hearne to write a piece but not sure if my e-mail for him was a current one so he may not of ever gotten the info. Great wrestler but was in bad shape when he passed. Let me know if u want more info.
Wow, Rick, I did not know that and appreciate your update. My first professional wrestling match was at Memorial Hall in 1964 and the Mongolian Stomper was on the undercard ( Lou Thesz vs. Dick the Bruiser was the headline). This was back when he had the pony tail from the top of his head, animal fur boots, and came into the ring with the Yak type vest. Definitely a bad guy back then but he quickly became my favorite. Saw lots of matches with him against Cowboy Bob Ellis, The Viking, Thesz, Kiniski, and of course tag team matches against Geigel and Brown. Pretty much every week at Memorial Hall he was either the headliner or close to the top of the card. For wrestlers back then, he was a pretty big guy, maybe 6’2″ and 250 lbs. Not really a loud guy that trash talked a lot, just put on a heck of a show. I still have a bunch of old memorabilia from back then and I’ll go home and dig it up to review. I wrote a piece for Hearne and KCC about professional wrestling in Kansas City a while back that is in the archives section here. I’ll have to visit with Hearne about writing a piece. Yes, I would like more info. If you want to send it to Hearne, he knows my email address.
Thanks Rick. Sad news but expected at some point. Godspeed Stomper.
Just a quick reply. Not sure if my e-mail for Hearne is accurate so I will either post here or send it to the contact info on the site. After he passed I came to the site to see if anything was posted and when I looked up info I saw your archive article about Hearne inviting u to ur first match and just an excellent piece on the history of central states wrestling.
My first encounter with him was in the early 70’s and him and Race were going at it over the central states title. He was a face and just incredible. As u state this was pretty much pre steroid era(a few exceptions like Superstar Graham and Ivan Putski) and he was unlike most wrestlers and muscular.
My first live attendance turned out to be his last match here as I went to the annual Thanksgiving show. Besides being in the battle royal he had a match with Ricky Romero. I had front row seats and it was AWESOME!! That was in the 80’s.
Wish I had your memories.
Oh that last card was Nov 26th 1981.
Also I sent a letter to the Star. We will see if they print it. Over 200 words plus it was by snail mail so they may not. If they don’t I will write more info here.
Oh not sure I made it clear but my first encounters with him were via All Star wrestling on TV.
I do not see Bush. Among the Republicans, he has yet to inspire, and there is still that thing, his name, that just turns Republicans off. At $3000 per vote in Iowa, he will run out of money before the convention. The key to the Republican candidate will be how Trump is accepted in the southern states, and don’t look for Ted to retire and write a book. Elected in 2012, he still has two more years in the Senate, and Texas will re-elect him. His knowledge of the Constitution is exceptional. He memorized it, and he used to recite it as a teenager. I know this is going to hurt, but with a Republican Senate, immagine Cruze replacing Ginsburg on the court….I know that hurts. Comey at FBI almost quit when Bush and his AG screwed up, so immagine if a referal is made to Justice about Clinton, and it gets made public, but there is no action. The Secretary of Defense scrapped plans to demote Petreus after the fact of his conviction, to pull a little heat off of Justice, but my read was that the Petreus conviction is still to much for the public to deal with if attention comes to Hillary. Trump scares even me. He has a tendency to shoot first and and ask questions later. As I pointed out, it wasn’t marked porn when it arrived on your computer at work, so it must be OK? I think that would spell early retirement. The Establishment, Conservative Dream Team is Rubio for President, Fiorina for Vice President, Trump for Secretary of Commerce, and Cruze for Supreme Court. I’ll call the ambulance for your heart attack now.
cowboy ate too many beans on the trail.. Where you ever got
this cabinet idea is beyond me. Rubio for president? come on
cowboy ain’t gonna happen. Trump secretary of commerce?
Guys been bankrupt 4 times…and had to have the Saudis
bail his buildings out of debt numerous times…just what
we need….a terrible businessman and con artist running
the commerce department.
Where do. you get this stuff from cowboy. Sleeping
under the stars on the prairie.
Follow Harley…as everyone who’s been on here for a
while knows…HARLEY IS ALWAYS RIGHT AND NOONE
CAN PROVE ANYTHING DIFFERENT.
NICE COMMENTS BUT YOU AND STOMP SHOULD GET
TOGETHER AND TRADE TALES!
2008, nobody obuma steals the nomination from hildabeast… 2016, nobody sanders does the same (dead heat in Iowa affirming.)
Next POTUS i.e., Trump will run the table: had New Hampshire (or any other state) preceded Iowa, the tone some wouldn’t be ‘Trump is falling’ and ‘Cruz is rising’.
Upshot: luck of the draw/primary order reminds Kerouac of ever-hopeful (though deluded) local football fans who excitedly crown their swiss overhypes ‘Superbowl-bound’, only to be taken the woodshed again and again and again, post seasons on end, ad nauseam.
TRUMP 2016
🙂
you were wrong for 10 straight weeks with the chiefs…
no one here takes you seriously. You’re a joke k…andnow
I can turn glaze around with some sound reasoning about politics.
This isn’t a football game old man…its the future of the nation
and Rubio/cruz/dtrump/bushman/ and the rest fo the clowns
in the republican car are not getting elected.
The landscape has changed. Better have millions of extra ballots
in Spanish…the Hispanics are coming to take over this election
with Clinton/Castro…add in the black vote at about 95% for
Hillary…women from 30-45 going at about 60% for Hillary
and all you have are old white bald males in the republican party
trying to keep America from being overtaken by the tsunami
of immigrants who are now voting citizens.
Someone like southy represents “the old days”…stale/old/
but thinking their money will buy this election. He’s got no new
ideas (or maybe he does so lets see how he’d replace obamacare or
deal with the immigration problem),,,but the rethugs got nothing
to replace the current programs. No ideas/no plans/ JUST REPEAL
AND REPLACE. WITH NOTHING TO REPLACE THEM WITH.
This is not a hard prediction…I base it on stats/previous patterns and
how I see the nation voting in November.
Harely is right. This is shaping up as I said over 9 months ago!
Don’t be surprised as foreign governments pay into this election.
Cruz is running through the primaries like New Theatre chicken nuggets through your intestines.
Archie used to stay at the Capri Motel. All the kids from the projects were his pals. He’d invite them to swim in the pool.
One grew up to be president of Monarch Eggs. Stomper, you might know him as he is a member of the tribe, converted after college.
I got my hair cut at the same joint on 9th St, next to the YMCA and across the street from the tattoo parlor. Bonadona ran the barber shop.
Remember the epic Stomper vs Cowboy Bob Ellis death match at Municipal Auditorium? Curfew ended the match in a tie and the crowd rioted. One of the teachers at NEHS was a rasslin’ fan and was there.
We went to the Mulhbach Hotel to catch a ride home from a friend’s dad. While we waited, the two rasslers came in together, just a couple of small band aids on their foreheads.
I imagine Dick the Brusier vs Alex Karas in the Detroit bar was an epic fight.
As far as the candidates go, they aren’t presidential material. They are a bad law firm which couldn’t exonerate Catlin Jenner from a charge of stealing Bruce Jenner’s identity.
I’ve heard the Stomper-Ellis story before. Had no idea about him and the Capri hotel. Interesting stuff.
Years ago I lived at a hotel converted into apartments near the downtown airport. The manager became aware that i was a wrestling fan and told me that many of the wrestlers use to stay there including Porkchop Cash, Dan Spivey, and Scott Hall.
She told me that Scott and his live in girlfriend at the time would often fight and she would be called to quiet them down. One time she was called up and listened at the door before knocking. Scott’s girlfriend was mad because he wouldn’t give her sex. The manager banged on the door and when Scott opened it she told him to have sex with the girlfriend if that was going to get her to shut up. LOL
The dirty tricks by Cruz is one side of the big news from Iowa, the other is the failure of Hillary Clinton to really win.
Cruz will lose votes because of his use of sleaze tactics to gain votes. The point needs to be pushed by all the other candidates. Who knows maybe Carson would have left if his value kept going down — but now he’s in it for the long haul.
The ‘screamer’ doesn’t have the stamina to keep up on the campaign trail. She looks tired and old. Sanders looks the same he always has .. tired and old.
The wild card is still the FBI investigation, and for what it is worth, an Attorney General refusal to prosecute, if a referal is made would almost spell as much trouble for Hillary as an indictment. Of course, there are those who would vote for her corpse if she died last week. Interms of Bernie facing off against whoever wins the Republican battle, I think the Democrat Convention might have something to say about it, especially if Hillary is the choice having achieved enough delegates before the Conventions. In that case, look to draft Biden, probably with a thought of Warren for VP. At least that is the word on the street. As for the Republicans, I think the Iowa Caucus will clear out most of the also rans, Paul, Bush, Kasich, and even Christy. They may not know they are dead, but in fact the strategy session is over, and their armies were wiped out in the first battle. Trump is beginning to implode. It will be interesting to see what happens to his support in New Hampshire, after congratulating Cruze one day, and imploding on Iowa the next. Redo the Iowa Caucus? Pardon me? Caucuses are normally dirty things, where the candidates understand the rules. In caucuses, nice guys don’t always finish last, but it’s tough to finish in the top three, a fact of life that comes just before the line that the difference between rape and intercourse is salesmanship. My money would be on a Biden-Rubio challenge in November, and I will let my esteemed colleagues handicap that race. This year’s election is different, being multi-dimmensional, with a Justice Department that may have to do something it doesn’t want, bite the hand that feeds it. I haven’t tried arguing that it was OK because the porn on my computer was not labled porn when I received it, but we will have to wait and see. The key for Democrats is in the Justice Department. The key fo Republicans is how much to help Trump prematurely fire blindly.
Cowboy telling tales that aren’t true. “the word on the street”?
Biden being drafted. You know nothing cowboy except that with these
comments you stepped in horse ****.
These are the numbers.
Trump can get nomination. Hillary gets nomination.
Hillary gets 80% of Hispanic vote/90-93% of black vote/60% of female
vote (centered in the 30-45 year old range) and essentially its a landslide.
I will beprojecting the electoral vote starting in May as I did perferectly
in 2012.
sorry boys….all your opinions are good but they are wrong. It’s a numbers
game. That’s all it is and will ever be and the race will be centered in about
18 counties.
Sorry boys….dems keep white house in 2016.
Hillary’s response last night to Anderson Cooper’s query concerning her $650,000.00 check from Goldman Sachs was a tortured and embarrassing misstep. All that was missing when it thankfully came to a close, was crime scene tape to keep spectators away from what is left of her corpse of a campaign.
You’re late to the party Cowboy, I called Biden last week, although not Warren.
Oh my Gawd I hope it is Warren. The first Native American Vice President!
I am not even gonna make a joke here. I don’t wanna jinx it (Fingers oh so crossed.).
Fu*k you Chuck!!! She identifies as Native American!! Why can’t you Right Wingers see the truth!!!
By the way, here is Caitlyn Jenner’s dog.
https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1340/1076657776_898d54167d.jpg
Sorry Rachel.
I am trying to understand. Me, I identify with Ted Nugent, but when I try to play “Cat Scratch Fever” it sounds like I am killing Caitlyn’s dog.
I will work on it.
Thanks for the input. I do think if Elizabeth has anything at all to say to Hillary at this point, it will be to tell her, “It’s a good day to die.”
“Rachel Dolezal” Too funny Chuck. Thanks for keeping humor in the discussion.
Cowboy, thanks, I was hoping you would jump in with your thoughts. I do respect your opinions on the GOP side and feel a touch validated with your view that Trump and Cruz will be gone shortly and that Rubio is the guy. I also liked your comment about the best Presidents being moderates. With regards to my view on Bush, I just think that after Trump, Cruz, and Carson get out of the way and now with Santorum, Huckabee, and Paul bowing out, someone from the group of “Establishment” candidates ( Bush, Christie, and Kasich) will step up and draw some of those supporters left hanging. To me that guy is Bush based on his war chest, organization, and strong establishment ties. I see your point on Bush so maybe Kasich is the guy. I still think Rubio is the guy to beat and also has the best chance to defeat Hillary. I wrote months ago that a Rubio/Kasich ticket would give the GOP their best chance. Florida and Ohio are critical swing states and Kasich is a rational moderate without the negative baggage that you point out with Jeb. Someone from this group of “Establishment” candidates is going to challenge Rubio down the stretch.
A bit surprising to me was that your political acumen stops so abruptly at the party line. About the only thing you said about the Democrats that has any basis in rational insight was your comment that there are some who would vote for Hillary’s corpse. It’s a much larger group than you think. Once you get outside the small group of old, white, male Republicans, voters for the most part, and certainly the majority of Democrats don’t see any of the mud being thrown against Hillary with regards to Benghazi or Emails as a problem that would disqualify her for the presidency. It’s about the only thing the GOP can hang their hat on in running against her and it’s not a bad strategy but that dog won’t hunt imho.
You made three comments in your various offerings above that caused me to choke with laughter. It wasn’t easy but I have tried to rank them in order of fantasy.
#3 – FBI/indictment. Darrell Issa and Trey Gowdy, clearly partisan in their intent, were unable to gain traction in their investigations and Kevin McCarthy broke the GOP “omerta” by admitting as much. The GOP dream that there is an outstanding FBI indictment hanging out there that will doom Hillary is just that, a dream of old white GOP males.
#2 – With a Republican Senate, Cruz might be named to the Supreme Court to replace Ginsburg. Rubio would have to win for that to even be a possibility and even if the GOP hangs on to their Senate majority (not a given by any means) , Cruz has no friends in the Senate, especially on the Republican side. Even if Hades froze over, Cruz would never be confirmed by the Senate regardless of which party controls it. Ted has too big of an ego and too many other grandiose plans to allow himself to be shelved quietly on the SCOTUS.
and the winner for the comment most based in fantasy ? drum roll please,
#1 – The Democratic Convention will draft a Biden/Warren ticket if Hillary comes in with the votes to win the nomination. Debbie Wasserman Shultz and the DNC is planning a coronation for Hillary and the thought that delegates would try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by turning away from Hillary is beyond laughable. Even YOU had to be laughing when you wrote that.
Thanks for your comments Cowboy. Now we need to hear from Dwight.
“It’s a much larger group than you think. Once you get outside the small group of old, white, male Republicans, voters for the most part, and certainly the majority of Democrats don’t see any of the mud being thrown against Hillary with regards to Benghazi or Emails as a problem that would disqualify her for the presidency.”
Lemme axe you this.
Did she, or did she not lie about Benghazi?
Did she or did she not, lie, in person and by proxy, to the American People about Benghazi?
Did she or did she not lie to the families of the victims about Benghazi?
Did she or did she not lie about why she erased thousands of emails?
Did she or did she not lie about where and why 550 Million Dollars came into the Clinton Foundation and only 75 Million Dollars actually went to real, actual Charities?
I could go on, but you get my drift.
Here is the thing. It actually should matter, when high ranking public officials flout and break the law. Lois Lerner really did orchestrate the illegal and pernicious targeting of political organizations whose positions were antithetical to the Democrat Party.
David Petraeus really did break the law and really is being punished.
Richard Nixon really was a liar and really did have to resign.
That blindfold on Lady Justice has ben removed at the whim and caprice of the 4th Estate that drives the Liberal Zeitgeist.
I resent, on a cellular level, the calumny so naturally attached to the phrase, “old, white male Republicans.” The vitriol, now so comme il faut on the left has, over the last 40 years, by way of repetition in that same 4th estate has acquired an undeserved imprimatur that designates, in the minds of many, an ethical and moral high ground. Conservative ideas are “Guilty until proven innocent”.
The world is a brutal and vicious place for the most part. With all apologies, if you haven’t traveled over seas and seen it for yourself, then trust me, in most places, life is cheap. America really is, for now, that “Shining City On The hill’ and the reason it is, is because of The Rule Of Law. Groceries on the shelves? Seriously, it is a big, big, big deal. The heretofore ability of your children to aspire and achieve a life even better than yours, a big, big, big deal. Common Sense and the Social Contract, a big, big, big deal. We take so much for granted and thusly, risk so much with cavalier, insouciant application of that Rule Of Law. No one, should be above the law and the catalyst for the enforcement of The Rule Of Law, is the 4th estate.
The 4th Estate is now, has been, and will be, for the foreseeable future, in the bag for any Democrat and Progressive initiative. A biased and subjective “Agenda Driven Journalism” is a cancer and a pox on this nation.
Here is the proof.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/thank_a_white_male.html
You may hate the Vehicle but you can, in no way, deny the facts.
That’s not who we are Chuck!
I am not sure what the meaning of “is” is, but I know for sure who “we” are and your definition is a lie. You traffic in lies and condescension.
Long live the King.
Not us though, right?
No, you are ok. Selective and arbitrary enforcement of the law, which benefits the “New Demographic” is ok.
And no, there will NOT be an indictment.
Chuck, Sanctuary Cities and Illegal Immigrants, Obama, Loretta Lynch, Lois Lerner, Rachel Dolezal, etc. You’ve got all kinds of voices in there, don’t you?
“Lemme axe you this” ??? What are you trying to say with that??
To answer your questions, NO, in my opinion, she did not lie about Benghazi and she did not lie about Emails. I get that by your standards she did but then you need to apply those same standards across the board, not just Democrats. I’ve said before that all politicians lie and/or lack tranparency. Even the most cursory followers of politics knows that. No that’s not a good thing but that’s the definition of the art/science. One needs to just hold their nose and vote for the party that best represents their view of the role of government. Last night I though both Sanders and Clinton were less than transparent. I thought that with the last GOP debate, all of the candidates were less than transparent. Yes, by your standards, everyone of them lied. Interesting that Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice’s aides also had restricted emails on personal accounts. Does that trouble you? I’m sure by now you have researched “Reagan’s Benghazi” per my earlier posts. If you have a problem with how Benghazi was handled by the current administration and responded to by the opposition Congress then I’m very curious about your thoughts on Reagan’s handling of the tragedies (note plural) that happened within a short period on his watch and how the opposition Democratic Congress responded back then.
“Burke said there were Three Estates in Parliament but in the reporter’s gallery yonder there sat a Fourth Estate, more important than they all.” Thomas Carlyle, 1841.
“The 4th Estate that drives the Liberal Zeitgeist”. The Fourth Estate is evil in your mind? You recently lumped Fox News in with all the rest of the left wing media because Megyn Kelly asked The Donald a tough question. Megyn’s got stronger Conservative credibility than Trump could ever hope to have yet you think Fox News is just another example of the Liberal Zeitgeist? You and your mentor Thomas DiLorenzo also think Abe Lincoln was the worst President our country has ever had so you’ll excuse me if I question your judgment.
As always, I love reading your posts and respect your opinions. I just wish you would apply your standards equally across the political spectrum.
By your standards, Chuck, you are lying about Lois Lerner and the “targeting of political organizations whose positions were antithetical to the Democratic Party” If you were truthful about any research you may have done on this issue, you’d admit that the Citizen’s United decision resulted in a glut of organizations whose primary goal was political in nature but claimed to be “social welfare” organizations that not only could avaoid paying taxes but also avoid having to reveal the names of their donors. Yes, some of these were Democratic PACs and they were investigated but the investigation of Lois Lerner and the IRS after the fact revealed that the large majority of these “fraudulent” filings were done by Tea Party/Conservative PACs. Recovering unpaid taxes from these fraudulent filings was Lois Lerner’s job.
They were breaking the law but your defense seems to be that everybody was breaking the law but it appears that only the GOP violators were getting targeted. Maybe it’s because the Conservative PACs claiming to be social welfare organizations made up the overwhelming majority of the organizations trying to avoid taxes and shield the names of donors.
Does your lack of transparancy here equal lying ???
DiLorenzo states the facts about Abe Lincoln. The Civil War was as unnecessary as the invasion into Iraq. Slavery would have died on it’s own, as it did in every other country on earth.
http://thomaslegion.net/presidentabrahamlincolnanamericantyrant.html
Most Americans, in my opinion, get their information on Lincoln from what equates to Spielberg’s recent celluloid hagiography.
The preposterous pretense that the IRS wasn’t targeting Conservative organizations and is an unbiased and impartial enforcer of Federal Law is absurd.
The Federal Government, including members of the IRS., is made up of 30% minorities. The rest of the 70%, if divided equally, would mean that 35% of the workforce of Government Union Employees, were Republican and the rest Democrat. This is just my guess, but I don’t believe it and think that in actuality, the Federal Boots-On-The-Ground enforcement of Federal Law, is effected by a Federal Government made up of 80% Progressives/Liberals. I believe that that uneven and unbalanced representation of unrestricted power in the Federal Government is a necrosis which, with the aid 0f the 4th Estate, marginalizes and unfairly diminishes those with conservative views.
As for that 4th Estate, lets let them speak for themselves.
“You know, it’s fairly well discussed inside CBS News that there are some managers recently who have been so ideologically entrenched that there is a feeling and discussion that some of them, certainly not all of them, have a difficult time viewing a story that may reflect negatively upon government or the administration as a story of value….They never mind the stories that seem to, for example — and I did plenty of them — go against the grain of the Republican Party….I didn’t sense any resistance in doing stories that were perceived to be negative to the Bush administration — by anybody, ever. I have done stories that I perceived were not received well because people thought they would reflect poorly upon this [the Obama] administration.”
— Former CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson on CNN’s Reliable Sources, April 20, 2014.
“There is no doubt that the press failed to scrutinize this program [ObamaCare] at the time of passage and during the context of the President’s re-election. I think any reporter who would argue otherwise would be putting their head in the sand.”
— Time/MSNBC political analyst Mark Halperin on FNC’s The O’Reilly Factor, November 21, 2013.
Buzzfeed’s Michael Hastings: “The presence of Obama, even on the press corps, even on the people who follow him every day, when they’re near him, they lose their mind sometimes. You know, they start behaving in ways that are juvenile and amateurish. And they swoon.”
Host Martin Bashir: “And, of course, you don’t.”
Hastings: “Oh, I do. No, I do, I do, I do. Oh, I totally, oh, man….”
— Discussing Hastings’ book about the 2012 presidential campaign on MSNBC’s Martin Bashir, January 24, 2013.
“So many [reporters and editors] share a kind of political and cultural progressivism — for lack of a better term — that this worldview virtually bleeds through the fabric of the Times. As a result, developments like the Occupy movement and gay marriage seem almost to erupt in the Times, overloved and undermanaged, more like causes than news subjects.”
— Outgoing public editor Arthur Brisbane in his final New York Times column, August 26, 2012.
“I think that the media is as divided on this issue [of gay marriage] as the Obama family — which is to say not at all. And so he’s never going to get negative coverage for this….When you have almost the entire media establishment on your side on an issue in a presidential campaign, it’s very hard to lose politically.”
— Mark Halperin on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, May 10, 2012.
“Are reporters biased? There is no doubt that — I’ve worked at the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, and worked here at Politico. If I had to guess, if you put all of the reporters that I’ve ever worked with on truth serum, most of them vote Democratic.”
— Politico’s Jim VandeHei during C-SPAN’s coverage of the GOP primaries, March 13, 2012.
“No person with eyes in his head in 2008 could have failed to see the way that soft coverage helped to propel Obama first to the Democratic nomination and then into the White House.”
— New York Magazine political reporter John Heilemann, January 27, 2012.
“When Newsweek was owned by the Washington Post, it was predictably left-wing, but it was accurate. Under Tina Brown, it is an inaccurate and unfair left-wing propaganda machine.”
— USA Today founder Al Neuharth in his August 19, 2011 column.
“The mainstream press is liberal….Since the civil rights and women’s movements, the culture wars and Watergate, the press corps at such institutions as the Washington Post, ABC-NBC-CBS News, the NYT, the Wall Street Journal, Time, Newsweek, the Los Angeles Times, the Boston Globe, etc. is composed in large part of ‘new’ or ‘creative’ class members of the liberal elite — well-educated men and women who tend to favor abortion rights, women’s rights, civil rights, and gay rights. In the main, they find such figures as Bill O’Reilly, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Pat Robertson, or Jerry Falwell beneath contempt….If reporters were the only ones allowed to vote, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, Al Gore, and John Kerry would have won the White House by landslide margins.”
— Longtime Washington Post political reporter Thomas Edsall in an October 8, 2009 essay for the Columbia Journalism Review, ‘Journalism Should Own Its Liberalism.’
“I’ll bet that most Post journalists voted for [Barack] Obama. I did. There are centrists at the Post as well. But the conservatives I know here feel so outnumbered that they don’t even want to be quoted by name in a memo.”
— Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell in her November 16, 2008 column.
MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough: “The media has been really, really biased this campaign, I think….Is the media just in love with history here, Mark, do you think?”…
Time’s Mark Halperin: “I think mistakes have been made and people will regret it….If Obama wins and goes on to become a hugely successful President, I think, still, people will look back and say it just wasn’t done the right way.”
— MSNBC’s Morning Joe, October 28, 2008.
“If you were going to events during the primaries, what you saw was that the executive editors and the top people at the networks were all rushing to Obama events, bringing their children, celebrating it, saying they were, there’s this part of history….The American people are smart, they can see this. That’s why Obama’s on every magazine cover…. There’s no question in my mind the media has been more supportive of Senator Obama.”
— NPR’s Juan Williams on Fox News Sunday, October 26, 2008.
“Many in the media have been one-sided, sometimes adding to Obama’s distortions rather than acting as impartial reporters of fact and referees of the mud fights…. We hear a lot less about Democratic sins such as President Clinton’s distortions of Bob Dole’s position on Medicare in 1996 and the NAACP’s stunningly scurrilous ad campaign in 2000 associating George W. Bush’s opposition to a hate crimes bill with the racist murderers who dragged James Byrd behind a truck.”
— National Journal columnist Stuart Taylor, September 20, 2008.
Host Howard Kurtz: “Are journalists rooting for the Obama story?”
The Politico’s John Harris, referring to when he worked at the Washington Post: “It wouldn’t surprise me that there’s some of that….A couple years ago, you would send a reporter out with Obama, and it was like they needed to go through detox when they came back — ‘Oh, he’s so impressive, he’s so charismatic,’ and we’re kind of like, ‘Down, boy.'”
— Exchange on CNN’s Reliable Sources, January 13, 2008.
“From a reporter’s point of view, it’s almost hard to remain objective because it’s infectious, the energy, I think. It sort of goes against your core to say that as a reporter, but the crowds have gotten so much bigger, his energy has gotten stronger. He feeds off that.”
— NBC reporter Lee Cowan in an MSNBC.com video about the Obama campaign posted January 7, 2008.
“If we wore our politics on our sleeves in here, I have no doubt that in this and in most other mainstream newsrooms in America, the majority of those sleeves would be of the same color: blue. Survey after survey over the years have demonstrated that most of the people who go into this business tend to vote Democratic, at least in national elections. That is not particularly surprising, given how people make career decisions and that social service and activism is a primary driver for many journalists.”
— Seattle Times Executive Editor David Boardman in an August 15, 2007 e-mail to his staff, posted by Poynter.org.
“I don’t know if it’s 95 percent…[but] there are enough [liberals] in the old media, not just in ABC, but in old media generally, that it tilts the coverage quite frequently, in many issues, in a liberal direction….It’s an endemic problem. And again, it’s the reason why for 40 years, conservatives have rightly felt that we did not give them a fair shake.”
— ABC News political director Mark Halperin appearing on The Hugh Hewitt Show, October 30, 2006.
“The elephant in the newsroom is our narrowness. Too often, we wear liberalism on our sleeve and are intolerant of other lifestyles and opinions….We’re not very subtle about it at this paper: If you work here, you must be one of us. You must be liberal, progressive, a Democrat. I’ve been in communal gatherings in The Post, watching election returns, and have been flabbergasted to see my colleagues cheer unabashedly for the Democrats.”
— Washington Post “Book World” editor Marie Arana in a contribution to the Post’s “daily in-house electronic critiques,” as quoted by Post media reporter Howard Kurtz in an October 3, 2005 article.
“There is, Hugh, I agree with you, a deep anti-military bias in the media. One that begins from the premise that the military must be lying, and that American projection of power around the world must be wrong. I think that that is a hangover from Vietnam, and I think it’s very dangerous. That’s different from the media doing it’s job of challenging the exercise of power without fear or favor.”
— ABC News White House correspondent Terry Moran talking with Los Angeles-based national radio talk show host Hugh Hewitt, May 17, 2005.
“I believe it is true that a significant chunk of the press believes that Democrats are incompetent but good-hearted, and Republicans are very efficient but evil.”
— Wall Street Journal political editor John Harwood on the April 23, 2005 Inside Washington.
“I worked for the New York Times for 25 years. I could probably count on one hand, in the Washington bureau of the New York Times, people who would describe themselves as people of faith….I think one of the real built-in biases in the media is towards secularism….You want diversity in the newsroom, not because of some quota, but because you have to have diversity to cover the story well and cover all aspects of a society. And you don’t have religious people making the decisions about where coverage is focused. And I think that’s one of the faults.”
— Former New York Times reporter Steve Roberts, now a journalism professor at George Washington University, on CNN’s Reliable Sources, March 27, 2005.
“Personally, I have a great affection for CBS News….But I stopped watching it some time ago. The unremitting liberal orientation finally became too much for me. I still check in, but less and less frequently. I increasingly drift to NBC News and Fox and MSNBC.”
— Former CBS News President Van Gordon Sauter in an op-ed published January 13, 2005 in the Los Angeles Times.
“Does anybody really think there wouldn’t have been more scrutiny if this [CBS’s bogus 60 Minutes National Guard story] had been about John Kerry?”
— Former 60 Minutes Executive Producer Don Hewitt at a January 10, 2005 meeting at CBS, as quoted by Chris Matthews later that day on MSNBC’s Hardball.
“I know a lot of you believe that most people in the news business are liberal. Let me tell you, I know a lot of them, and they were almost evenly divided this time. Half of them liked Senator Kerry; the other half hated President Bush.”
— CBS’s Andy Rooney on the November 7, 2004 60 Minutes.
“Of course it is….These are the social issues: gay rights, gun control, abortion and environmental regulation, among others. And if you think the Times plays it down the middle on any of them, you’ve been reading the paper with your eyes closed.”
— New York Times Public Editor Daniel Okrent in a July 25, 2004 column asking, “Is The New York Times a Liberal Newspaper?”
“Like every other institution, the Washington and political press corps operate with a good number of biases and predilections. They include, but are not limited to, a near-universal shared sense that liberal political positions on social issues like gun control, homosexuality, abortion, and religion are the default, while more conservative positions are ‘conservative positions.’…”
“The press, by and large, does not accept President Bush’s justifications for the Iraq war….It does not accept the proposition that the Bush tax cuts helped the economy….It remains fixated on the unemployment rate….The worldview of the dominant media can be seen in every frame of video and every print word choice that is currently being produced about the presidential race.”
— From the February 10, 2004 edition of ABCNews.com’s ‘The Note,’ a daily political memo assembled by ABC News political director Mark Halperin and his staff.
“At ABC, people say ‘conservative’ the way people say ‘child molester.'”
— ABC 20/20 co-anchor John Stossel to CNSNews.com reporter Robert Bluey, in a January 28, 2004 story.
“There is just no question that I, among others, have a liberal bias. I mean, I’m consistently liberal in my opinions. And I think some of the, I think Dan [Rather] is transparently liberal. Now, he may not like to hear me say that. I always agree with him, too, but I think he should be more careful.”
— CBS’s Andy Rooney discussing Bernard Goldberg’s book, Bias, CNN’s Larry King Live, June 5, 2002.
“Most of the time I really think responsible journalists, of which I hope I’m counted as one, leave our bias at the side of the table. Now it is true, historically in the media, it has been more of a liberal persuasion for many years. It has taken us a long time, too long in my view, to have vigorous conservative voices heard as widely in the media as they now are. And so I think yes, on occasion, there is a liberal instinct in the media which we need to keep our eye on, if you will.”
— ABC anchor Peter Jennings on CNN’s Larry King Live, April 10, 2002.
“There is a liberal bias. It’s demonstrable. You look at some statistics. About 85 percent of the reporters who cover the White House vote Democratic, they have for a long time. There is a, particularly at the networks, at the lower levels, among the editors and the so-called infrastructure, there is a liberal bias….[Then-ABC White House reporter] Brit Hume’s bosses are liberal and they’re always quietly denouncing him as being a right-wing nut.”
— Newsweek’s Evan Thomas on Inside Washington, May 12, 1996.
“Everybody knows that there’s a liberal, that there’s a heavy liberal persuasion among correspondents…..Anybody who has to live with the people, who covers police stations, covers county courts, brought up that way, has to have a degree of humanity that people who do not have that exposure don’t have, and some people interpret that to be liberal. It’s not a liberal, it’s humanitarian and that’s a vastly different thing.”
— Former CBS Evening News anchor Walter Cronkite at the March 21, 1996 Radio & TV Correspondents Dinner.
“The old argument that the networks and other ‘media elites’ have a liberal bias is so blatantly true that it’s hardly worth discussing anymore. No, we don’t sit around in dark corners and plan strategies on how we’re going to slant the news. We don’t have to. It comes naturally to most reporters.”
— Then-CBS reporter Bernard Goldberg in a February 13, 1996 Wall Street Journal op-ed.
I could go on, but, you get my drift.
As Bernie likes to say, “It’s Rigged!”
I will give ya this, politics is a nasty, take no prisoners game and if the shoe were on the other proverbial foot, Conservatives would bend Americans to their will as have Liberals for so long.
In the spirit of good fellowship, I counter your Carlyle with Bierce.
Politics: A strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles. The conduct of public affairs for private advantage.
Ambrose Bierce
By the way, FOX news is a Liberal/Centrist outlet for the news, so if you were expecting me to defend it, I am not. There is NO real conservative cable news channel.
A lot of time spent there and good research, well done Chuck. Pretty clearly you had a busy night/morning.
My point was that you use a broad brush to discredit the entire Fourth Estate. Obviously the Fourth Estate has fractured into a thousand separate voices but you quote American Thinker quite often so I’m guessing you find that voice of the Fourth Estate to be acceptable. I do think that for you to label Fox News as Liberal/Centrist when they have maybe one out of every ten faces speak as a token moderate Democrat is humorous. Without the Fourth Estate, the American Revolution doesn’t happen when and how it did. I’m not so naive to say that there is not a tilt to the left in much of the main stream media but there are plenty of voices from the right out there as well. The press in it’s entire spectrum still plays a critical role in our society.
I find it sad that you regard the Federal Government as such an evil force. The Founding Fathers called the Constitutional Convention to create a strong central government as they recognized that the Articles of Confederation would doom the nation. They shoulder the blame that, for you the Federal Government “marginalizes and unfairly diminishes those with conservative views.” My view is that what they created has survived and flourished pretty well to have lasted 229 years.
I’ll let your Lincoln comments stand on their own merit and credibility.
Thanks Chuck.
Last night’s GOP debate was pretty revealing. It’s still way too early to make any definitive judgments and there will be lots of ebbs and flows for everyone in the coming weeks and months but last night changed the dynamics in the race imho. I still think it comes down to one of the four remaining “establishment’ candidates but Rubio got savaged last night and didn’t respond well. Christie filleted him with the “drive by shot and 25 second sound bite” attack and Rubio fell back into that position even after that. I thought Bush, Christie, and Kasich all had the best nights and Trump held his own. The three Governors all stepped back into more serious consideration. They are all way back in the pack and have been written off by most people already but there is way too much time left and Cruz, Trump, Carson, and now maybe even Rubio are going to start hemorrhaging their supporters. The Governors are going to be the recipients of that flight.
I still want to hear from Professor Sutherland.
stomp: saw bits of last nights debate. Margo got his head handed to him by
the fat man (the guy can’t even make it down the aisle of a plane…see comments
by Romney about the fat man). I mean this guy spent 40K on the weight loss
band and the only place he lost weight was in his fingers.
Trump look good (not)…put this guy on a stage with Hillary and she’ll make
him look like an imbecile. He knows nothing about anything. With 7 clowns he
only has to speak maybe 10 minutes but with one on one with Hillary he better
learn about foreign politics and domestic items or he’ll be just standing upthere
with nothing to say.
Pesonally Iwant trump. And many who wants to “do” his daughter and says
it in public needs to be whipped 100 times and the dems will do it. He knows
nothing about the situations in any part of the u.s. or world. He declared
bk 4 times and if not for the Saudis bailing him out he’d be dead broke without that
plane with his name on it.
come on stomp: these rrethug clowns haven’t got a chance once they get out of
states with 98% white voters. Oh and what about powell/rice and every other
sec. of state who used a private server. Oh….weforgot about that. And the fact
the rethugs questioned her for 12 hours and couldn’t find anything wrong with
Benghazi.
Lets get this over with. You are not educated in what is happening in the
politicial world and you are essentially off 100% on what you write.
As you will see stomp…..Harley is the go to guy for info on politics.
Hillary just got her ass EMBARRASSED in New Hampshire. She got the living shit kicked out of her.