Glazer: Scribe Reflects on Grandview Cult Killing & Hypocrisy of Religion

The latest God Killings happened right here in Grandview…

International House of Prayer leader Tyler Deaton‘s wife was the victim. She was found dead of what was thought to have been a suicide on October 30th. Later a church member confessed he’d killed her by order of her husband Deaton. This to cover up the sex and drugs evenings at the church and special places in Grandview.

More God killings. When will it all end?

We live in a nation, and pretty much a world, where you’re brainwashed from birth to believe in some sort of make believe God. With that brain washing it becomes all too often a reality of life.

” God is good, God is right, this is the way to happiness” and on and on.

Our country it is largely Christian, with a mix and Jews, Muslims and other religions. All believe there is a God who watches over and will protect and save them if they do as the good book says.Β  In most cases the good book is the bible.

But as has been proven by science there are many things written in the bible that are just plain wrong. You could write a book about them and people have. They say man came into being just a handful of thousand years ago. However, the bible was written by people with what would be today a second grade education at best.

People who believed the Earth was flat and the Sun revolved around the Earth. Today they would be considered stupid.

Many millions are killed in the name of God.

The Romans fed Christians to the lions. Hitler put 6 million Jews in gas chambers and Christians burned witches at the stake (there are and were no witches, just people who didn’t do a good enough job of being Christian). Our military slaughtered millions of Indians. Arabs kill Jews and Christians because they aren’t Muslims.

Comedian Jim Jeffries, on the stage at Stanford’s, put it this way: “If Jesus was alive a couple thousand years back, he would have been a man of maybe four feet seven inches, that was the average height back then. But let’s say he was tall at 5 feet. Okay,. I’m six feet three inches and had they nailed me to a cross I just would have stood up, it wouldn’t have killed me.”

Jeffries continued, “There are more than 120,000 different religions that we know of that have existed. So you folks are mostly Christian right? Lucky you. You got the right one, huh? You won the lottery.”

Many people hate Jim. Why? Because they know he’s right. We made up religion in the bible, Christianity and God. We did, man. There’s almost no doubt about that today. We made up the Easter Bunny as well.

It all sounded good, God and the bible.

But in the end it seems to have done far more harm than good. Yes there are many great religious people. Men and women who do great things in the name of God. They are great people because they themselves are kind and generous not because of a God or religion.

How many Jim Jones, Waco’s or phony Jimmy Swaggers are needed to figure this out?

The best and most recent proof of the insanity of organized religion has to be the hundreds even thousands of Catholic Priests who RAPED YOUNG BOYS. Let me write that one again. PRIESTS, HIGH RANKING, MAN’S CLOSEST THING TO GOD ON EARTH AND THEY RAPE YOUNG BOYS ALL THE TIME.

When are you holier than thou people gonna face the facts?

Most of you already know but it’s tough to stop being brainwashed. I know. They tried it on me.

I had to go to Saint Annes Church in Prairie Village on Sundays for a bit, as well as Hebrew school. We read the bible in both. I was in third grade when I asked the sister at the Church this question, “Is the bible real, is this suppose to be true?”

She said, “Yes Craig.” And I said, “It can’t be true, sister. Noah built an Ark for his family and animals, even insects, right?” Yes. “All animals?” Yes, she replied. The last thing I remember saying was “That’s not possible, there are too many different kinds of animals to fit on such a boat and the insects would fly off.”

I was called up front and had my arms beaten with her ruler.

SEE, WE TEND TO STRIKE OUT AT NON BELIEVERS DON’T WE?

Where is God when children are raped, tortured and killed. WHERE? Where was God when those men representing him – the ones too many of you bow down too – pulled their pants down and raped little kids. WHERE?

Rabbi, Margolies said it best.

I asked him if there was really a God and he said, “When I was a young man I sure believed there was and as I aged I wasn’t so sure. Today I say this, if you want to find God look at the end of your right arm. There you will find your own hand. God is inside you and all of us. It’s up to you to do good in this world. Don’t look to heaven, look inside yourself. That’s where you will find God and there only.”

I believed him then and I believe him now.

Goodness is inside you. We as humans are as close to any God as there is likely to ever be. We need to do the right things for our own sanity. Not for one of any made up God.

Happy Thanks giving.

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52 Responses to Glazer: Scribe Reflects on Grandview Cult Killing & Hypocrisy of Religion

  1. Reggin Tnuc says:

    Once gain Mr. Craig you prove yourself to be the perfect agnostic. A word that literally means “I do not know”.

  2. Jim says:

    Religion has killed more people than any sword, gun or bomb ever did.

    But, you will never, ever convince a “believer” there is no God. Ever. Despite the facts, despite how ridiculous the whole concept is, despite science, despite logic…….never.

    • R&R says:

      Jesus didn’t come to start a religion!

      He came to show the way to God.

      Logic and science is great stuff. But it only goes so far. All it does is explain God’s physical creation. Which is very important. But not everlasting.

  3. mark smith says:

    Just a couple of things. The leader of IHOP is Mike Bickle, I know this because I listen to the news, and he is the brother of my first wife. Known the guy since the mid 70’s. His younger brother Pat was paralyzed from the neck down in the mid 70’s at a Center High football game. Mike and his sisters took care of Pat rather than send him off to a nursing home. He is still alive, they still care for him. Good people.
    The murder/sex thing didnt take place at the church, it took place at the home of this Tyler creep. Bickle the leader of IHOP is a good guy. His family , brother sisters etc are all involved in IHOP. They are as square and straight laced as they come. This Tyler character brought a group to IHOP from Texas. The guy who voiced Elmo is a short eyes, so should we blame Sesame Street and big bird for another individuals actions?
    As for the whole “God doesn’t exist” atheist theme. The funny thing about Atheists, they are just as arrogant and tunnel visioned in their disbelief as the most fervent religious zealot is in their own convictions. The truth is, the only people who know the answer unequivocally, are dead, and they aint talking.
    **disclaimer** I havent set foot in a church let alone Ihop in decades, other than funerals. But Ive known the Bickle family for close to 40 years. I know their character and they arent involved in this sex/murder freak show.

    • Jim says:

      Mark, as soon as the first person gets killed in the name of Atheism, I’ll buy into your theory of them being just as arrogant and just as tunneled visioned.

      • mike says:

        People were killed for their religious beliefs in communist countries. Christians had to meet in secret. For example, the penalty in Albania for being a Christian was death. Part of the belief of Marxism was to eliminate religion. So much for Athiests not killing in the name of Atheism.

    • hollister says:

      If you knew the Bickles that well, you would know that Pat died several years ago. My husband went to Center with all of them too and has nothing but good things to say about Mike, but their church is a bit much for us.

      • mark smith says:

        hollister as I said Ive known them since the mid 70’s, was married to Lisa the youngest daughter. Its been a few years since we spoke, if Pat died I wasnt aware. So whats the point of your ” if you knew the bickles” comment? Shame to hear about Pat if thats a fact, it’s amazing he made it as long as he did given the extent of his condition.

  4. R&R says:

    My summary of this article: it sure is tough for rich Johnson County people to understand God.

    Bless your heart.

    • R&R says:

      Actually, you hit the nail at the end.

      God is within us. That is what is meant by that “God created us in his image.”

    • Jim says:

      I see being condescending is part of your faith. I must have missed the tenet at church. Hmmm.

      • R&R says:

        Sorry, that Jim Jeffries quote was so stupid, I just reacted.

        Jesus could have taken himself off the cross at any time. I thought that was an obvious understanding from the gospels.

  5. mark smith says:

    Jim
    I was speaking to their belief or lack there of. Suing over Nativity Scenes, or the pledge of allegiance. Ridiculing anyone who peacefully practices a particular faith. Killing and wars aside, there are more than a few overly zealous atheists who go out of their way to impose their views and beliefs on others. So thats the similarity im talking about. Im Agnostic, or my definition of it. Im hoping the truth lies somewhere in between Harps, milk, and honey or being worm food. The former sounds boring and the latter is a little too final. No denying alot of people are killed under the guise of religious righteousness. However more often than not thats just a ruse for taking someones land, oil, or whatever.

    • Jim says:

      No argument there, Mark. I think we are probably closer in our beliefs than I let on. I’m really a “live and let live” guy. I’m just dubious of many, many aspects of religion/God/Goddess/faith. Too many aspects just don’t square with what science tells us. When somebody tries to argue the Earth is 4,000 or 6,000 years old I just have to shake my head.

  6. Rick Nichols says:

    I don’t want to get into a long theological discussion with anyone and everyone via this site, so I will simply stick with the story itself. I say this because I have some concerns about the manner in which The Star has covered this tragic affair so far. In short, I don’t want to see IHOP and/or the victim’s husband and the alleged murderer “tried” in the newspaper in advance of a trial. And I say this even though I’m no big fan of IHOP. The exact nature of the relationship between IHOP and the Deaton “cult” (my term) has yet to be determined, and claims of drug use and sexual activities at IHOP or under the auspices of this organization have yet to be substantiated. Let the proper authorities sort the whole thing out in due order and then go from there, allowing all concerned to have their day in court.

    From the submitter’s 2010 book “50 Sermons, 50 States: Presentations from the Pulpit for the People of America,” page 34, this Burma Shave-inspired rhyme:

    “Judge not your neighbor
    Judge not your kin
    There is a Judge
    But you’re not Him”

  7. Lance the Intern says:

    “the bible was written by people with what would be today a second grade education at best.”
    The Apostle Paul (who’s responsible for half of the books of the New Testament) was a Jewish Pharisee and was originally from Tarsus.

    Tarsus had, by the time of Paul, surpassed Athens and Alexandria in education in general, and especially in philosophy. As a Roman citizen, and the son of a person with a productive trade, Paul would have had the status and economic support that would have financed and facilitated his attending the grammar school. It’s generally assumed he did so.

    As a Pharisee, Paul was a student of Gamaliel the Elder (look him up, Glazer) and would have both known the written Torah and been educated in the oral Torah and how to dispute its points of law.

    Paul had to have known how to read and speak Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic.

    Hardly a “second grade education”.

    • Pat McGroin says:

      +1.

      The apostle Paul was one of the most awesome individuals in the good book.

    • admin says:

      I think Craig was exaggerating – something he seldom does – but was pointing more towards the basic scientific truths we take for granted today. That is, the world is round, etc, etc

  8. Craig Glazer says:

    I see all your points…but nobody addressed the mass killings much, or where is God when all this tragic horror hits people who did nothing wrong, especially children…how about this one, in history as we know it, more people around the globe didn’t hear about Jesus than did, are they going to hell cause they believed in the Sun God? See my point none of the religious set ups make any sense, do they. As time moves on we learn more and more that it’s a made up set of rules to play by…that’s fine til it gets over the top, which it always does..then people who are innocent die. Not a good thing.

    Good solid laws and leadership can replace the ‘God’ program and will in time. Man is flawed simple as that, all men are. None of us are perfect, none of us are God like…we are men and women, we make mistakes, too many… at times we all need forgiveness, right.

    • Rev says:

      You have a lot of opinions about different religions that are just wrong. It might be helpful for you and the reader to do a little research before you write about something you don’t know much about. Try talking to some people.

      All believe there is a God who watches over and will protect and save them if they do as the good book says.
      The Bible does not say this. Jesus says the world hates him. If you take him as your Lord the world will hate you. Prepare to suffer. Have you ever read about how Israel suffered?

      But as has been proven by science there are many things written in the bible that are just plain wrong.
      Can you please explain just one of these? That might be helpful for the reader to understand what you are talking about.

      PRIESTS, HIGH RANKING, MAN’S CLOSEST THING TO GOD ON EARTH AND THEY RAPE YOUNG BOYS ALL THE TIME.
      Come’on dude! Catholic priest’s are not even considered an authority by a majority of Christians. Let alone the entire world.
      Here is the thing: It doesn’t matter what “MAN’S CLOSEST THING TO GOD” is. What matters is GOD.
      And the Bible even explains that many will profess to be from God or doing God’s work, but they aren’t. They are wrong.

      where is God when all this tragic horror hits people who did nothing wrong
      He is right there with us. Suffering with us. Part of his creation involves free will. The choice between good and bad. He lets us make these choices and reap the benefits or suffer the consequences. Man causes man to suffer. It wasn’t God that did those horrible things.

      • Jim says:

        Sure is comforting to know God allows us to make our own choices about having healthy chidren as opposed to horribly deformed, mentally retarded or disease stricken children. If only those parents would have made the right choice so they didn’t have to “suffer the consequences”.

        This is the kind of crap that all the true believers chalk up to God’s will. Give me a break.

      • Craig Glazer says:

        Well, I guess there is just a ton of suffering, God is good, God is great and again, where is he when needed most. No I don’t get it. I don’t see it…these are just excuses. Again man wrote the bible not God. And again, 120,000 or more God like religions, this is the right one? Does that make sense? Why didn’t God reveal himself to those billions around the world in Africa, India, China, early America, the middle east and more…before they died over the years? Why? Again makes no sense, not believable…those who want to believe have that right. How often was this religion FORCED on people? South America, the Indians, on and on….What Spain did to those who didn’t believe…on and on…so that’s all o.k.?

        • devo-T says:

          Craig, I thought you got the memo: Jesus DID visit early America…. I mean, Joseph Smith said it was so. There were golden plates and everything!

          This story, and the venom it draws out from some people around the comment-sphere, demonstrates pretty well what a fallacy religion really is. It’s a means of control (Tyler and his “study partners”), a way to ab/use people (his own wife, among others), and justify any sick behavior imaginable. I mean, if GOD deigns it to BE, who can possibly argue with that?

          I tell ya, if He really did exist — man, it seems he’d REALLY be pissed at so many asshats flaunting his name. You’d think he’d throw a lightning bolt or two.

  9. Pat McGroin says:

    Craig, IHOP had nothing to do with the death of Bethany Deaton.
    The twisted (with or without religion) mind of Micah Moore is to blame for her death.

    However, your friend and occasional mebtor was correct-there are only 2 kinds of people on this planet. Good people and bad people.

    Surround yourself with good people, and be the best person you can possibly be.

    • Pat McGroin says:

      Craig-I can only tell you where God isn’t during those mass killings…..in the hearts of those who perpertrate such acts.

      The evil souls among us can claim to do whatever in the name of the Lord, but it soon becomes obvious to even the most humble man when evil rears its ugly head in the guise of religion, regardless of how sweet the smell.

    • Pat McGroin says:

      mebtor = mentor

    • Craig Glazer says:

      Yes you are correct, he was a group leader not the Church leader. I was wrong in saying that, but he did do all these bad things including murder as a ‘leader’ in the Church. No it doesn’t make everyone else bad.

  10. randyraley says:

    I think we don’t know ten percent of what we don’t know. We’re about to prove Einstein wrong. This is a young planet, fairly new with still so much to learn. Who knows what or who is out there that we can’t understand or comprehend. I ‘d rather not take my chances. “Pascal’s Wager” lays it out for me. If someday, at the end of this life I have to stand in front of something, how do I tell it I don’t believe in whatever it is? What happens then? I think shit could have happened back then that was inconceivable and unexplainable even by our standards now. Jesus from another dimension, another portal? Who knows? Again, I try to live my life trying to help my fellow man so I’ll have a nice resume when I get there even if there doesn’t exist.

  11. JPH says:

    Many of the books attributed to Apostle Paul were not actually written by him. Instead, they were likely written by church leaders with an agenda, although the true authorship is unknown. No one knows who wrote the Gospels. See “Forged” by Bart Ehrman for a scholarly analysis of the New Testament. In any event, Paul never met Jesus unless one believes the road to Damascus tale. It’s also interesting how much of pagan mythology was incorporated into the New Testament. Perhaps the Deists have it right.

  12. the dude says:

    Stupid me, I thought IHOP was a place where pancakes were worshipped. Thinking about that now that would be an awesome idea for a church, way better than the flying spaghetti monster dude. Think (and thank) Pancakes.

  13. chuck says:

    The false projections we see in the minds we live in, are a result of bad pro noun references.

    Our Occidental views on ecclesiastical matters, should occasionally give way to some Eastern thought. Different emphasis on a different pro noun.

    Try the Bhagavad Gita, The Three Pillars of Zen, The Tibetan Book of the Dead, some Eckhart Tolle stuff, Adyashanti.

    Its a different outlook, which does not necessarily mean that the East and West are mutually exclusive.

    Worth a look in my opinion, and indeed might shed some personal insight into the questions here.

    πŸ™‚

  14. Craig Glazer says:

    Glad more of you agree with me than don’t…good start…

  15. Ambig@uous.com says:

    Right or wrong, the very first story in the Old Testament , Job, directly addressed the age-old question regarding why, despite the existence of God, bad things often happen to entirely decent people.

    Read this introductory biblical chapter and you’ll encounter the Judeo-Christian answer to this question that some of you claim goes undressed by our most dominant religion.

    • Craig Glazer says:

      Again, you all have the right to believe the way you want too…no argument there…I’m just pointing out why I don’t. That’s all. This is a brief, but strong argument against the ‘story’…that’s my position. Nothing here so far is very strongly said that changes any of what I wrote. I could go on and on….We have the right to choose. As long as what we choose isn’t forced on others. Has that been the case? Christianity travels the world..’showing’ others the way… making others true believers…always has….and too many times there are consequences if you don’t believe or change to the ‘right’ ways…..that’s another problem in and of itself….too many examples on that one…

  16. chuck says:

    Craig is right actually. It is a story. The efficacy of that story, with relation to divinity, the religiousl rules etc, and as interpreted by those folks who do or don’t believe in the events and how they transpired, is a subjective opinion.

    Constantine the great, was above all, a great administrator. Wiki mentions that when he called for the COUNCIL OF NICEA in 325, it was easy to get there. Not true, it took some of the “Bishops” 2 years.

    When they did get there, they had discussions and then essentially voted on whether Jesus was the son of God or not and if he should or should not be worshipped as a GOD.

    Constantine, at the battle of Milvan Bridge, thought he saw a CROSS in the sky, won the battle and attributed it to the new “Christian” movement (Remember, at this time, these guys were essentially Jews. Like we have Episcapalians, Baptists, Catholics. Jesus for example was an Essene (Mystical folks) and lived in Qumran, very close to where the “Dead Sea Scrolls” were found.). He wanted to consolodate his empire by 323 and desired, to assist in that consolodation, one true religion.

    The vote was taken and the earthly apotheosis of Jesus as GOD was complete.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

    In my opinion, this doesn’t diminish or make case for either side of a religious controversy with relation to divinity. It just is what it is.

    The Bishops who attended the COUNCIL OF NICEA wrote letters to their flocks back home. Many were very uncomfortable with this vote, but said they were coerced into the result. Some of those letters are still available to see today.

    I do think Constantine, on his death bed, pulled one of the very first CRAIG GLAZER gambles.

    He knew he was dying, and he teased his bets.

    Last rites were recieved by the great man, in several different religions, including Christianity, the SUN GOD and a couple of others I have forgotten.

    In my opinion, the most important man in Western Civilization (For good or bad, as you see it.) was CONSTANTINE THE GREAT.

    Happy Thanksgiving.

    πŸ™‚

  17. chuck says:

    Oh, also if you are really interested in what actually happened in antiquity, then, once again, in my opinion, check out the many books on the Dead Sea Scrolls and what they actually say. All of them.

    Remember, the Christian bible, as it exists, was also voted on to a certain extent by the Church hierarchy. The rest is the “Biblical Apocrypha” which didn’t make the cut.

    The story changes, increases as does the interpretation with the passing centuries.

    Elaine Pagels has written a number of books that really dissect the addition and subtraction of many of the current beliefs we take for granted today.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Pagels

    “Her popular books include The Gnostic Gospels (1979), Adam, Eve, and the Serpent (1988), The Origin of Satan (1995), Beyond Belief: The Secret Gospel of Thomas (2003), Reading Judas: The Gospel of Judas and the Shaping of Christianity (2007), and Revelations: Visions, Prophecy, and Politics in the Book of Revelation (2012).[1]”

    No kidding, they are really interesting.

    The book on the origin of Satan was astonishing to me.

    πŸ™‚

  18. Super Dave says:

    The King of Sting is a book that is suppose to be the truth about some people and how they acted in life.

    The Bible, old and new is a book that is suppose to be the truth about some people, how they are suppose to behave and the so called history leading up to it..

    But the authors of both books have told the story as they want us to believe it happened. Rather any of it happened or is the truth is up to the reader.

  19. Craig Glazer says:

    With one small difference Dave…The King of Sting is told through my eyes true, it is my POV(point of view) thus making me out to be the better guy much of the time. That’s true, though I point out many faults including my deserving to go to prison for all I took part in over the years…

    However unlike the Bible we have documented court room accounts of many, in fact most of the issues. Three trials, two Federal one State. Sal Manna the co writer, covered all but one of the trials, and also worked with the government on interviews about what happened when he wrote stories including Front Page stories on these events for the newpapers. We also had two Kansas City Star front page stories by writers who traveled to LA to get the ‘truth’ of the matter. One being a current editor Paul Wenske of the Star. These were not my friends at the time, later we got to know each other and all their stories are similar about what happened and why. Nobody said I was a hero, they did agree it was clever, unusual and historic in many ways. Comparisons made to other famous outlaws like Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid by Wenske in his cover story in the Star. Even Star Publisher Art Brisbane did a series on me and the events in the 70’s/80’s. At first, like you, he didn’t like me or what I did or stood for…later as he checked out the events he changed his mind. He also got to know me somewhat. In his third column for the Star he compared me with area hero/outlaws like Jessie James…for being daring, unique and pulling off some wild events over and over. He did say unlike poor Jessie, Craig will likely live to reap the rewards of the tales and events.

    Dave you have to walk in a man’s shoes to get the answers. Those men did, I didn’t know them beofore they went to work on these events that spanned more than 20 years of my life. All had one conclusion, they all happened, maybe not exactly as told, but happened and the result was clear and final. I would have to say I had their respect and even a slight smile. Doesn’t make what I did right, it just makes it less grey and kinda American. Course those are my words.

    The Bible doesn’t have that kind of coverage from an outside independent source. There is no real evidence much of it happened at all. Some did no doubt. My stories were retold in open court by both sides…even the Federal US Attorney DID NOT ARGUE MY VERSION of events at my sentencing in Kansas City. The judge asked him, “is this true” he had nothing more to say.

    When you hate someone for no real reason, you won’t believe anything else good said about them…”don’t confuse me with the facts my mind is made up”

    Hey if I saw evidence of God or a religion I would be the first to say I was wrong. I just don’t see any. I wish there were one and a heaven and an afterlife, I do…I just have to be honest with myself.

    • Politics and religion says:

      Glazer,

      You forget the context of your argument. During the time of Christ stories were told verbally. The modern media as you reference wouldn’t have existed plus the artifacts of this time are long since lost. Sure the science says otherwise but then again who is responsible for science. As “intelligent” species we have to rationalize our existence, our birth, our death, and virtually all time and activity in between. Hense an epic story of an individual that appealed to millions with all those answers. Think of the Bible and the story in all it’s renditions in the same light as the Illiad or Odyssey. What people do in the name of God, spite of god, or representative of God is their own free will and has nothing to do with the literary example.

  20. Tim Doolitle says:

    Glazer actually wrote more than a sentence that I agree with.

    no b-list celeb name dropping either.

    Amazing.

  21. Rev says:

    I have sympathy for the writer of this article.

    I’ve read his articles before. He is very self absorbed. It makes it tough to know God when you live that way.

    Here it the truth:

    There is a God.

    And you are not Him.

    And just because He doesn’t act like you want Him to doesn’t mean He doesn’t exist.

    God has made a plan, not necessarily known to man (even rich Americans), for the healing and care for his creation, and not simply our little part of it.

    The good news is that God is greater and more generous than the best of those who profess to know and serve him. This is good new that is truly good news for everybody, not just a few somebodies.

    And you need a God who is bigger than your ability to understand God. Bigger than what you learned about in 3rd grade Catholic school. Bigger than you learned in that little bit of Hebrew school you went to. Bigger than what you learned from that comedian on the stage.

    Want to know Him?

    Here is a good start: Get on your knees and ask God to reveal himself to you. Surrender. Humble yourself.

    Amazing things will happen.

    “There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance – that principle is contempt prior to investigation.” – Herbert Spencer

  22. Kerouac says:

    Two of my favorite ‘thinkers’ offered their own takes this most burning question, our ponderment as well their own. German Friedrich Nietzsche & Romanian EM Cioran:

    “A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything” ~ Nietzsche.

    Nietzsche summed up even more concisely: “Gott is tot”, German for ‘God is dead’ – by deduction, said presumes He in fact once was.

    Cioran, on the one hand – “Atheists, so ready with their invective, prove that they have ‘someone’ in their sights. They should be less conceited; their emancipation is not so complete as they suppose: they’ve exactly the same notion of God as does an believer.”

    Cioran on the other: “Paradise was unendurable, otherwise the first man would’ve adpated to it… this world is no less so, since here we regret paradise or anticipate another one. What to do? Where to go? Do nothing and go nowhere, easy enough.”

  23. chuck says:

    Lord only knows the billions of dead through the eons from suicide by way the individual’s perception of an indifferent God, and the concomitant dissapointment.

    See Ernest Hemmingway’s “A Farewell To Arms” (The chapter with the ants.). No accident with that shotgun.

    Once again, the folks way out East have a different perspective by destroying the pronoun “I” and all that it entails from the beginning of life.

    Check out Ramana Maharshi’s take on “I”.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramana_Maharshi

    Really.

    Can’t hurt.

  24. Craig Glazer says:

    I must say I am pleased with all the positive response I have had to this artilce. Even a few phone calls from people who are friends, unsure of the ‘God’ thing. All said this is what they really kind of think, but won’t say. Like someone wrote here, what if this is wrong and there is a God. What if one day I am judged. Answer: If and I am more than sure it won’t happen, you stand before your ‘maker’ and he sees that you didn’t believe…well he has but one choice…’to admire your bravery and wisdom, then to forgive you since HE did not do enough to prove to you he was real in the first place’ and that my friends is the best answer you will ever read or hear. Have a ‘blessed day’ that’s the lone the con artists write at the bottom of all those emails regarding needing money to get out of a bad situation..’please wire it to….’

    • Rev says:

      since HE did not do enough to prove to you he was real in the first place

      Good point. Maybe God reveals Himself to people in different ways. We need people with strong faith. We need people with doubt to explore new answers.

  25. Craig Glazer says:

    This is such a huge subject, needs more attention here for sure. Again there were some strong comments on both sides of the issue. In the end too many people have used the ‘God’ excuse to do awful things, thousands of bad things to others. That and the treatment of non believers are the criminal things that happen in the name of a God.

    However no doubt good things happen as well, just not enough.

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