Whinery: Paul Ryan for Veep, The Good, The Bad & The Ugly

Not really sure how I feel about this pick…

Part of me wants to be really excited, while other parts are
terrified and incredulous over the selection of Ryan as Mitt Romney’s
running mate.

THE GOOD– Ryan is young and articulate. The kind of guy that “believes
what he says and says what he believes.”  He’s well liked by the grass
roots of the Republican Party, has a very telegenic family and has
been consistently re-elected in a Democrat majority district.

Can you tell I’m struggling to find good things to say?

The one criticism Ryan does not deserve is that he wants to “gut Medicare.” His plan to overhaul the system does not affect anyone over 55. No seniors would be forced out of Medicare against their will and overall spending stays the same as it would under Obama.
Ryan’s plan gives seniors options other than Medicare, which is not a bad thing.

THE BAD– His much lauded budget that is supposed to save America from bankruptcy does not do much about runaway defense spending and other monies being pissed away in support of the Empire.

Spending on the “War Machine” is now over half of all “discretionary” expenditures!

Don’t know how you balance a budget when a trillion dollars a year is going towards meddling in the affairs of other countries and unwinnable wars.

THE UGLY– Ryan has not met a stimulus or a bailout he hasn’t liked, voting yes on TARP, “ObamaBush’s” first stimulus in 2008, the bailout of General Motors and Obama’s supplemental stimulus in 2009. That’s about $2 trillion in deficit spending voted for by this “Deficit Hawk.”

He’s not very good where civil liberties are concerned.

With  yes votes on making the PATRIOT Act permanent in 2005 and allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant in 2006.

He loves war too, with yes votes on authorizing military force in Iraq in 2002, for emergency funding for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2003 and on declaring Iraq part of the “War on Terror” with no exit strategy in 2006.

Romney needed to pick a Governor to avoid having someone on the ticket that could have all their Washington votes used against them- Governors Christie, Jindal, hell even the Wizard of Oz would have been a better pick than Ryan!

I’m willing to give Romney/Ryan a chance only because Obama/Biden has been such an unmitigated disaster.

I’m just disappointed because thought I was FINALLY going to get the
opportunity to vote FOR the Republican ticket and not against the
Democratic one.

I still love Romney, I’m just very disappointed in who he picked to be a “heartbeat” away from the Presidency. And I LOVED Palin- so its not like I expect perfection at Veep…

Please G-d, help Romney/Ryan survive the 30 second attack ads to come and don’t allow four more years of Obama because our Country will not survive it…

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26 Responses to Whinery: Paul Ryan for Veep, The Good, The Bad & The Ugly

  1. the dude says:

    This does not affect the Bildeberger and Diebold choice for 2012 at all. Barry Soetero wins again thanks to a rigged electronic voting system.

    This Ryan clown is a peculiar Washington animal, I mean this is all he has done his entire adult life is screw Americans over at every turn or help in the screwing.

  2. harley says:

    what i find positive about this young clown Ryan:

  3. harley says:

    great economic plan this romney/ryan team has given us…

    end to pell grants.
    “couponcare” for the elderly. A sure fire loser
    Food stamps ending for 18 million americans. Mostly children/disabled/elderly
    privatize social security. Wait til guys like willard/madoff/stanford etc. get their
    greedy hands on that money. Poof…its gone!
    end social security!
    defense spending….increase it! great idea…not!
    more tax breaks for rich people…they’re being asked to increase 4 points…thats
    all…and with all the tax scams they’re running they probably still won’t pay
    MEDICAID: DECIMATED. WHAT americans will learn is that the money for
    the seniors to go into retirment homes gets cut dramatically. If you have
    older parents you get to pay for them and their living expenses. That surely
    won’t sit well with the boomers. Just wait…and be careful wha you
    wish for with the romney/ryan circus act.
    NOTE: both political parties ran focus groups concerning the romney
    /ryan economic plan. The people in the focus groups at about a 50% clip
    said this when giving their opinions about the romney/ryan economic plan:
    “i don’t have an opinion because i can’t believe any politician would ever
    recommend something so bad””””””””””””””””” !!!!!!1
    the voters when they hear about the romney/ryan plan will say no way…

  4. harley says:


    The most recent survey and focus groups by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner for Democracy Corps reveal deep opposition to the Ryan budget– and its potential to damage Mitt Romney’s candidacy if he embraces it in the coming campaign. [1] At the outset, the Ryan budget (described in Ryan’s actual language) barely garners majority support. And voters raise serious doubts when they hear about proposed cuts—particularly to Medicare, education, and children of the working poor.

    President Obama’s lead against Romney more than doubles when the election is framed as a choice between the two candidates’ positions on the Ryan budget– particularly its impact on the most vulnerable. The President makes significant gains among key groups, including independents and voters in the Rising American Electorate (the unmarried women, youth, and minority voters who drove Obama to victory in 2008). This is an important new finding; highlighting the Ryan budget’s impact on the most vulnerable seriously weakens Romney.

    • paulwilsonkc says:

      Come on, Harley, at least have enough integrity to acknowledge, good or bad, that the RYAN budget, as you call it, was a bipartisn effort between Ryan and Democrat, Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR). Its laughable how the media now leaves that out of the story. At least the two of them offered SOMETHING.

      Where is Obamas budget? Oh yeah… he doesnt have one thats gotten ONE vote from any party.

      At least have some level of honesty, if you like it OR dont.

  5. Rick Nichols says:

    I think it’s curtains for the country in the not too distant future no matter who wins the election this fall. A greater plan divinely orchestrated is at work here.

    • the dude says:

      I wholeheartedly concur.
      When you mean curtains it is only for the little people, the people in the know already have their fallback bunkers stocked and ready to go.

  6. Jim says:

    Whinery, you hit the nail on the haed with the defense spending issues. Americans love to wave the stars and stripes and declare their patriotism. Their opinion is that if you cut defense spending then you are being UN-American and not supporting the troops. A trillion dollars. A trillion! I don’t think people can wrap their pea-size brains around how much money that is. We spend more money on defense than the next 50 biggest countries combined. 46 of those countries are our freaking allies!!! Imagine what we could do with $500 billion annually going to S.S., medicare & medicaid and still leaving another $500 billion for defense spending. It’s the 3rd rail issue that NOBODY wants to touch. I thought being a conservative meant you wanted to conserve. Oh no. Let’s give it to the seniors that BUILT this freaking country right in their depends and keep flooding money into a war(s) that can’t be won.

  7. mike says:

    The only candidate that had talked about cutting entitlements and defense spending both was Ron Paul. I didn’t agree with him on some things but he made sense on this. As far in debt as our nation is, no potential spending cut should be left off the table. Anybody that thinks we can go on forever spending money we don’t have is living in a dream world. Ask the Europeans about that. We can be critical of Romney and Ryan on their economic plan but it is at least a step in the right direction compared to Obama’s reckless spending. We have amassed more debt the last 3 1/2 years than all the previous years of our nations existence combined! We can’t afford 4 more years of Obamanomics!

  8. harley says:

    let me explain the facts to you…
    spending by obama…was to keep us out of depression…
    the debt
    the great majority of the debt is the two unfunded wars we put on
    credit cards (trillions) and the bush tax cuts.
    Yes…we had tarp and a stimulus but essentially mikey that was
    to prop up the economy. Noone was spending…businesses were not..
    people were not…so to keep the economy moving the government had to…
    see the great depression…how we came out of it…
    so government spending had to step in or we’d lose many many more
    jobs than we did.
    but that spending was in the right places!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
    infrastrcuture…returns more in tax fees than we spend and it puts people to
    work and it replaces the worn out infrastrcuture of america that has to
    be replaced……billions and billions there .
    we needed to prop up the banks…mikey…do you understand the economics
    …the banks go down the economy goes down…collapse…
    stimulus money…most of that went to state and local governments to keep
    firefigthers/police etc…teachers….employed and to help pay their bills…
    spending done since 2010 has been to try to keep us out of a depression.
    in a recession the government can only cut back so much…see what they
    did in europe…austerity and it killed their economy with unemployment
    rates as hagh as 20plus percent……..
    mikey….yes…we need to cut spending…but we can’t cut spending alone without
    generating new revenuies. Now that economy is picking up revenues have
    risen (not to levels we need them at)…but states and local governments are
    not in the situation they werein just a few years ago.
    we have to raise revenues…..we have no choice…because right now
    cutting spending cuts jobs!
    we all know spending has to be cut….noone disagrees with that…however
    if you look at the rmoney/ryan plan the cuts are so deep and so hard on
    middle class and lower class americans that the american people are not
    willing to go to that extreme.
    obama has offered spending cuts …but we must have revenue increases
    also….so come january 1,2013 you’ll see how quickly the cuts and
    increases ccome into play.
    mikey…go watch bill clinton on you tube talking about the current
    economic situation. he can explain it better than i can…watch and
    romney/ryan only want to see their millinaire buddies get more tax
    cuts while the rest of america get ntohing but cuts..cuts…cuts……
    won’t work…hasn’t worked…
    and romney wants no cuts in defense…even when the defense
    deaprtment and pentagon don’t want all that money to spnd anymore..
    see panetta…
    thanks for vreading my comments…i hope i have enlightened you.

    • mike says:

      You want to blame Congress. He had a democratic majority his first 2 years and accomplished little. What infrastructure projects? He was supposed to have all of these shovel ready jobs and that never happened. The stimulus money has been used selectively to help democratic candidates by spending it in their districts to help them get reelected. The private sector is the only way to grow the GDP. Growing the GDP is the only way to fix the economy long term. Government spending only puts the problem off until later. We need policies that are more business friendly such as lower corporate tax rates and lower capital gains taxes to get businesses to grow and hire again, not tax and regulate them more. The wealthy wouldn’t be putting all their money in tax shelters and sitting on it if the potential rewards for investing it back into their businesses outweighed the risks. Reagan inherited an economy that had double digit inflation and unemployment from Carter and turned it around in 3 years. Clinton’s sucess came after the republicans took the house with the contract with America and he worked with them. What Obama is doing is not working and is only digging us a hole we may never climb out of if he is reelected.

      • harley says:

        lower tax rates….whats lower than the 15% mikey…are you
        an idiot now….for making money without producing anything..
        they found a way to pay no taxes that the scams and shelters
        guys like romney and his henchmen set up….
        and the corps don’t pay it anyaway….
        come on mikey you’re looking stupid now….

        • mike says:

          How they get out of paying it is sending the money out of the country. If the rates were lower, it would stay in the country and help the economy. For a guy who constantly brags about how rich you are, you sure seem to hate and act jealous of rich people. I guess that is not surprising for a young guy who remembers Metcalf as a gravel road or a guy who says he is related to people who don’t even know who he is. The only thing that would make anybody look stupid on here is believing anything you say.

          • harley says:

            yes..i do well…and i pay taxes..no
            off shorue accounts..
            yes i remember metcalf as a gravel
            road…spent 8 hours a day on metcalf..
            i was 14 when it was a gravel…
            yes…i have a huge house…proeporties…
            ..not jealous of anyone…i’ve never worked
            for anyone in my life…self employed and i know
            what it takes to make things work.
            This country isn’t working right. Too many
            personal hatred among those at the top. the
            real rich have gamed the system…and for me
            to be financially successful people have to have
            money to spend and dollars have to turn.
            I’m not an island. I have done very well but
            if we allow the gaming of the financial system
            to go on..myself and every other business person in then ation suffers.
            as far as me mentioning people and not knowing htem…you need to stfu..if you want anything i write proven just bring it up…
            as far as money leaving the nation and you saying we shoud lower the rates…thats fucking stupid…the corps don’t pay any taxes when the
            system allows them to shuttle trillions off shore that are made here in u.s….what kind of idiot
            are you.
            You’re a fucking loser whoever you are.
            tell us what you’ve done in your life…give
            as a glimpse of yourself and say something intelligent beside trying to stalk me in my
            so far no great comments from you..get a life!

    • paulwilsonkc says:

      Im tired of all the Obama excuses, the George Bush lefts overs, the reasons why….. Here’s his acceptance speech:

      Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment – this was the time – when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals. Thank you, God Bless you, and may God Bless the United States of America.

      His nomination marked the day the planets began to HEAL…oceans began to SLOW…. for a mesiah that powerful, that god like, what could poor little George Bush leave him that he couldn’t fix in his sleep??? His mere nomination started to heal PLANETS….. we’re just talking the economy here!!

      He will go down second only to Jimmy Carter, in the end. Black, white, mixed race or what ever you want to call him. Its not a race issue, its just the facts, ma’am.

    • Markus Aurelius says:

      wow, Harley, in a single post you’ve trashed any hope or expectation that future posts might be factual, logical, and based on empirical data.

      This perpetuated notion that the bailouts were a non-choice and that the alternative was no less than the destruction of the world is utterly ridiculous. I realize that Bush signed off on the first bailout and he was as wrong as Obama was regarding the remainder.

      Would not bailing out the banks and auto industry have been difficult? Absolutely.
      Would it have set our std of living back a generation or too? Probably.
      Have the bailouts averted either of these eventualities? Absolutely not.

      There’s little question be leading economists that the bailouts did little more than kick the proverbial can down the road. In contrast, allowing these businesses/industries to fail would have forced an auto-correction in the market that would have allowed the country to, over time, reorient itself to be in a position to continue as the leading economic power for decades to come.

      I’m not an alarmist but I am a realist and although there is not a single gun in our family’s house (other than my air rifle for taking out meddling squirrels and other critters – not to mention, my dad has enough for all of us) I think the #1 reason we do not want Obama back in the White House for 4 more years is the attempts he will make to take guns from the people. Add that to attempts by Obama to further normalize a nanny-state mentality and erode any reasonable expectations of privacy for a the next generation.

      It’s fairly easy to see the process. (1) Reduce civil liberties in the name of security (Patriot Act, warrantless wiretaps, ID check laws, etc..) and get people used to a ‘new normal’ with lessened expectations of privacy. (2) Disarm the populace in the name of security (we can’t allow another CO shooting to occur). (3) Once people are reliant/dependent upon Uncle Sam to protect them, then they’ll give up anything for Uncle Sam to give them peace and security, prosperity and safety.

      Fortunately, enough of us will not stand for this slow-moving intellectual treason against our founding fathers and the principles upon which this nation was founded. However, if we let the process go too far (and Obama will push it as far as he can in the next 4 years), it will be much bloodier and much more difficult for true patriots to take this country back. When that time comes, we will need our guns. Unfortunately, they KNOW we will need our guns – which is why it’s so important for them to disarm the people. While I hope it never comes to any of this, history and logic tells you that this is the destination toward which we are heading right now. Reasonable people see that, on our present course, we are headed for this country’s demise.

      Ron Paul actually understood these issues on all fronts and didn’t get bogged down by both party’s inconsistent party platforms (ie – cut spending but spend trillions halfway around the world, or support a woman’s right to choose but not a baby’s right to live). Unfortunately, the 4th estate no longer functions as it should and is effectively complicit in perpetuating the status quo power brokers of both parties. Ron Paul makes too much sense and, as such, is a threat to the current power structure. So, the media, Dems and, to a lesser extent, Reps. do the only thing they can do – they try to discredit him and make him appear “kooky” to the majority of the populace. Sure he has some shortcomings and idiosyncrasies that make it easier to push that appearance but the guy’s ideology and assessment of what needs to occur is right on the money.

      • mike says:

        The auto companies would have reorganized through the bankruptcy process and probably still been around. The real reason for the auto industry bailouts was to protect the pensions of the retired UAW workers and the contracts of the current UAW workers. I’m with you on the rest of it. Benjamin Franklin once said those who give up freedom for security will have or deserve neither.

  9. Ranger Danger says:

    The very fact that given another term, the big O could easily place Eric Holder on the Supreme Court bench; is reason enough to vote against him.

    Holder…the lying sack of do-do that he is and and has always been, is a pox on the political scene and placed far too high at this time.

    • mike says:

      Holder goes by his personal opinions instead of the rule of law. That would be a disaster if that happened.

      • Chuck says:

        Holder is the worst Attorney General since John Mitchell.

        • the dude says:

          What?!?!? No worst AG votes for “Just sign the damn reversal document” Alberto Gonzales when Ashcroft was doped up in the hospital recovering from surgery?

  10. harley says:

    chuck…read the history books…the worst was mitchell and john ashcroft…
    what has holder done…he just continued what the bushies started until he
    found out what was going on …then he killed it.
    notice theres nothing ab out fast and furious now…
    holder will probably be a supreme court justice because obama
    or clinton will probably be appointing 2-3 new justices….

  11. mike says:

    I am 50 years old. Because of the blue laws in Missouri at the time, my folks would sometimes take us out to Metcalf South on sundays. This was in the 1960’s. Metcalf Ave. was paved then. If you were 14 years old and that was not paved, you would have to at least be close to 65 years old which is probably older than most of the people on here who you are referring to as old. You never had a job working for anyone else in your whole life. That is not all that likely unless Mommy and Daddy left you a big chunk of money at a young age in which case you would not have a whole lot to brag about. As far as who I am, it is none of your business. I am not on here bragging about how great I am all the time compared to everyone else on here like you are. STFU yourself.

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