OTC: Can Kansas Start Over In Waco? / Gary Barnett Promises Info On “5th Down” Game
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renton
I was at the Fifth Down game. Most of the people I was sitting with didn’t notice the fifth down because we were too pissed that they stopped the clock after the previous play to clear the pile.
Turd McDurgle
I was at home watching the 5th down game with my dad and brother – laughing my ass off.
I got a scholarship to KU a year later.
bschloz
6 Degrees of Kevin Bacon would tell us that
Stanford would beat Texas like 83-6
I look for Texas to bounce back this week. Mack probably fed those guys bologna sandwiches all week
Why not TCU? Who the hell wants to play those guys… same reason nobody would schedule Boise in a million years. Boise has the Tattoos to play with anybody.
Mike DeArmond
Greg,
Bill McCartney was the Colorado coach, not Gary
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GH: Thanks for the fix, Mike.
smartman
KU has an identity, it’s Jekyll and Hyde or for the HATERS, Cybill.
I’ve been to home games at every BIG 10 stadium over the past four years. Iowa isn’t even in the top five toughest places to play.
Maybe Brandon Rush and that useless Janee, or however you spell it, from the Star can get a gig on BET as the blacker, younger, hipper Regis and Kelly.
Red Fan
Wasn’t Barney on McCartney’s staff at the time? I don’t remember where I was but I remember MU had some crappy Omniturf field or something awful like that.
Eric
Mr DeArmond beat me to it. But regardless, I was at home watching it on tv.
Jip
I was watching ESPN Classic a few years ago and they showed the 5th down game. Dave Armstrong was on the call.
He didn’t catch it during the broadcast. I think he just went with what the officials were saying. There was no mention of it during the broadcast.
I was 9 years old when it happened. I didn’t see the game but I clearly remember Frank Boal showing all five plays on the news that night or the next night and the whole WDAF crew shaking their head about it.
Greg
I was standing at the goal line right behind Tigers sideline reporter Tom Dore and did not know that it was fifth down, but the guy did not even score on 5th down. He crossed the goal line with the ball only after he was down.
And Gary Barnett was on the staff of McCartney at Colorado. Both Barnett and McCartney played at Mizzou under Dan Devine in the 60’s.
recruiter
A guy that calls himself turd and he went to ku? Who would have thunk it?
sean
Iowa can be a tough place to play. I think it is more situational as to the game. If the crowd is engaged, then it is a very tough place. It may not sound as loud in the stands, but the visiting players bench is 5 feet from the fans and the pink locker rooms are odd for anyone. It is quite loud on the field. Michigan is the quietest 100K people you will ever hear and not a tough place to play I have been to most B10 stadiums and I would rank them like this:
1. OSU
2. Iowa
3. Penn State
4. Wisconsin
5. MSU
6. Northwestern
7. Michigan
8-11. The rest
Omaha
Jaz Reynolds: a perfect example for support of restrictions on electronic communications (Go Turner). Or the reason for more in depth research before offering scholarships. Toughest place to play in the B10 would be Penn St. The team is worn out just trying to get there, via plane, bus, and then mule train.
The Independent Rage
I was wondering what connection Barnett would have to the Fifth Down game — sounds like, from above, he was on the McCartney staff. I was at that game, in the student section down towards that north endzone. Despite the accounts above, we (the people around me), at least, were fully cognizant of the fact that CU was getting an extra down as it was occurring. Obviously, the next travesty was that the CU runner’s knee was down before the ball crossed the plane (although that was not something were aware of until after the fact — we had no vantage point on that from the stands).
I recall that one of the most angering things about that game was McCartney’s reaction afterward: Rather than saying word one about the fifth down, and rather than crediting MU for one second for playing a tough game, he just whined and cried, on and on, about the slippery conditions on the Omniturf that day. McCartney was the Bob Stoops-like jerkwad of the Big 8 back then.
All that said, I look back on the Fifth Down game as more of a very memorable event than something that gets me angry. If MU wins that game, so what? MU would have had 4 wins instead of 3 that year (or whatever the total was)? MU was NOT going anywhere that year, nor in the years to follow under Bob Stull. Flea Kicker — same thing — one more win and a slightly better bowl in 1997 (and the wheels still would have fallen off in 1999). Now, I’m NOT going to say “same thing” when it comes to Tyus Edney — but I won’t even go there today.
Hammy
turd, no harder than I laughed when Faroukmanesh made that 3 pointer.
petomane
“21. Nebraska A weak B12 will makes NU fans think they have a title contender.”
Neilbonics strike again. (Don’t fix it.)
Ryan
Or when Kerry Meier scored the TD in the snow…
Johnny Utah
Enough with the big 10 talk. that conference is slow, fat and boring. sooooo 20th century.
Love that OU WR’s twitter joke.
MoCrash
I was in some roadhouse between Lubbock and San Antonio when I saw the Fifth Down play. I think I saw it live, but can’t recall. I was usually on that road during football Saturday evenings (or one from Waco, or Houston, or College Station to San Antonio, where I lived), back when I worked the SWC. It was hard in those days being a poor ol’ Mizzou fan, by virtue only of being a native Missourian, while deep in the heart of Texas.
Ptolemy
After that stellar non-con, not to mention nearly dropping a deuce on the field at home against SDSU, NOBODY can claim Nebraska is three TD’s better than anybody – unless they are clouded by bias.
KSU by 50.
Uncle Dick
I remember watching the game, but got interupted right before the 5th down play, had to get my shotgun and blow the shit out of some trespasser from Texas, and by the time we found a matchbox to bury the sumbitch in, the game was over.
36-28
@Ryan,
You can have the Kerry Meier touchdown. I’ll take Chase Daniel throwing for 400 yards on the vaunted kU defense in Armageddon at Arrowhead. That game meant slightly more than 2008. And before you say it, no one gives a shit about the Orange Bowl. We beat your asses on national TV when it mattered most.
Safety. Ballgame. Bingo.
Creighton
Yeah ,Ptolemy, your pick of KSU by 50 is most certainly NOT clouded by bias. Can’t wait to see the Mildcats come crashing back to earth next Thursday.
MoCrash
@Uncle Dick: That reminds me of my Texas days, when the locals complained about immigration — across the Red River, not the Rio Grande. Those hordes of Okies who flooded Dallas every year raised plenty of Lone Star ire (even while counting they counted Sooner greenbacks).
Cliffy
I was at the 5th down game … didn’t realize at the time what had happened. A few of us talked to Stull in the parking lot of the training facility afterward. He stood there and talked with us for several minutes. He was pretty calm … kept saying what a big win that would have been for the program. Stull was a pretty good coach … he had very little to work with back then.
Wasn’t Andy Reid (Eagles) Stull’s offensive line coach?
That Guy
I was cooking at the American Royal BBQ when that game was on. We were listening on the radio, and we knew it was fifth down and we weren’t even there.
With instant replay we have today, would they go back and get the down correct?