OTC: Could Turner Be One And Done At KU? / Kenny Chesney’s Brilliant Video, The Boys of Fall

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27 Responses to OTC: Could Turner Be One And Done At KU? / Kenny Chesney’s Brilliant Video, The Boys of Fall

  1. Anonymous says:

    That Colorado visit for Missouri will be 3 days shy of the 20-year anniversary of the Fifth Down game.

    Missouri nation will not let that team forget.


    GH: Hard to believe it’s been 20 years. I watched that game with my old roommate and he immediately said, “Hey, that was fourth down! They’re giving Colorado an extra down!” Maybe the biggest referee goof up in Big 8 history.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Johnny Utah
    The problem with a $2M+ contract at KU and $65-90 game tickets, is we expect wins. You make $500K and we pay $30, we’re a little more forgiving about “building the program.”

    Lew wants a bigtime program with bigtime money, he better deliver bigtime wins.

    or, you know, score a f-ing touchdown at home against a 3-8 1-AA team…

  3. Anonymous says:

    Unless KU goes 0-12 (which, suddenly, strikes me as a realistic possibility), no way he’s gone after one year. First, I think Lew Perkins is going to be here until September of next year (somebody tell me if I am wrong). We all know how much Lew hates to admit to a mistake and firing Gill would be tantamount to admitting he never should have hired him in the first place. Since Lew’s replacement isn’t going to be here until after next season starts and since Lew won’t be the one to fire Gill, I think he is safe for at least two seasons.

    But, if he goes 0-12 or 2-10 and then starts off next season at 0-6, he has to go. The fact that people are even having this conversation after one game really illustrates how much pressure he’s under starting right now. He’s under more pressure than Bill Self was under after he got his t eam highly ranked and then went and lost to an unranked Nevada team a few years ago. i’d even say that Gill, strnagely enough, is under more pressure than Self was after those early exits against Bradley nd Bucknell. He needs to figure out how to to turn this shit around (Oops! I said “shit” and am probably in trouble with Gill now)

    What was so disappointing about the game Saturday was how much of the horrible play I witnessed was directly related to coaching (or, more correctly, a lack of it). Having to waste all those timeouts, stupid penalties stemming from a lack of discipline. That’s all about coaching. You can take a bad player and still coach him to know the snap count and not false start, but apparently this staff didn’t realize that this sort of coaching was allowed.

    I still want to hear from Chuck Long. What the hell was the game plan? Why did we fail so spectaularly on offense?

  4. Anonymous says:

    Lew’s out now, actually. So maybe Gill better start getting estimates from moving companies.

  5. Anonymous says:

    Jayhawk Fan
    Lol, yeah sure, one and done, for sure dude…. lmao.

    If KU does not lose the fumbles and a couple of those dropped catches were caught (stickum).. then it is a win.

    I am not saying KU looked good, but it seemed whatever could go wrong…. did go wrong. There were some flashes of quality, so who knows maybe it will work OK….. not to depress gregg H or anything….. we all know there is nothing in the whole world which he enjoys more than KU not doing well.

    He never comments on positives, but he is all over it when they mistep….. pretty sad… oh well.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Well, never mind. The Star just sent me a text that says that Lew Perkins is out, effective immediately. Turner Gill is now on deathwatch.

  7. Anonymous says:

    Johnny Utah
    KU has a mangino-like 50-6 win saturday, and Lew has nor problems. Lew “retired” with full pay thru sept. 2011. right. FIRED.

  8. Anonymous says:

    ku failed because they didnt play well. And after
    they realized that they were going to lose or
    possibly lose they lost it altogethr.
    But the good thing is that its only one game…
    and they should probably lose about 10 more
    giving them a 1-11 record which for a first
    year coach isnt bad and you have nowhere to go but up.
    Ga tech should put 30-40 points on the board
    in lawrence and I imagine thats what ku will need
    to score to win any game thisseason.
    MU on the other hand better get their shit together soon or they’ll too have one of these
    upsets hanging on their neck.
    They didnt look too good either saturday.
    I like boise state…exciting..fast paced and
    i’d love to see them play alabama or another
    ranked team and kick their ass.
    and remember…is just a few weeks til basketball season starts……….
    and the chiefs super bowl 2010 is less than one
    week away.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Waling away early and taking $2 mil with him? Vicious cunning, indeed!!

  10. Anonymous says:

    GH…Do you think that Bill Snyder lit into his players with numerous F-Bombs after that loss to Louisiana-Lafayette last year?


    GH: Nope, but I’ll bet cursing is not uncommon at a K-State practice — or any other Big 12 school beside KU.

  11. Anonymous says:

    I’m all for laid back coaches but when you can’t rally your troops to DEFCON 4 to pull a win out of your ass against North Dakota you’ve got problems.

    I think GT is going to sodomize the Hawkers to build some BCS momentum. After that we’ll see what this kinder, gentler team is made of.

    Machete don’t text and I’m sure that Ronnie Lott and Jack Lambert don’t get all weepy thinkin’ about their high school football days. Smoke on the Water on the 8 Track boombox was our pregame anthem. I remember the sights, smells and sounds like yesterday. I remember running in a play and changing it to a pass play to me on which I scored. Then everyone was trying to figure out why coach was yelling at me and benched me for the rest of that game and the next.
    If I’m gonna cry I’ll watch Brian’s Song or Things To Do In Denver When You’re Dead.

    I’m more concerned with 18 year old kids putting on flak jackets and battle helmets and fighting for their country. In the game of life football,at any level, is dreck. It’s a GAME.

  12. Anonymous says:

    Thanks for the shout out, Cliffy.

    At this point I think it’s probably worth it to pay him off and walk away. Had we still had a realignment fight on our hands, I’d want him to stay, but I’m done with him.

    But I don’t think this is strictly tied to that excretion of a game Saturday. It’s probably a factor, but if it’s solely because of Saturday, I will end up being relieved. This almost feels like there is another shoe about to drop regarding the ticket office scandal.

  13. Anonymous says:

    Yep, Gav. I think something else might be just around the corner. In the end, Ol’ Lew was a good fundraiser but not much of an AD, I’m afraid.

    Boys of Fall … I figured if Grunhard liked it I would not, and I was right. You actually shed a tear at that accumulation of cheesy crap? I want my 8:14 back.

    “I remember running in a play and changing it to a pass play to me on which I scored. Then everyone was trying to figure out why coach was yelling at me and benched me for the rest of that game and the next.” If true, Smartman, classic.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Greg – MU has beaten any CU team led by Hawkins by an aggregate score of 177-40. The average margin is 34 points. The most CU has scored against MU was last year’s 17. The 4-game streak includes two in Boulder and two in Columbia. The game this year is in Columbia.

    Is this a “feeling” that leads you to “like” Colorado at this point? 😉


    GH: True dat. Mizzou has owned Hawkins and his “It’s da Big 12” Buffs. But I just think CU is a whole different team this year talent-wise and experience-wise.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Great Vid….shit I cry when I watch Rudy so that was a no brainer. Watching Boise/Va Tech…Felt like The Rose Bowl…can’t remember a higher pitched game the first week of Sept…Semi-Professional football at its finest.

  16. Anonymous says:

    HELL….i don’t think my high school ever won
    a football game…and we had too many jewish
    people to field a basektball team with anyone
    over 5’6″….but we excelled in debate/
    golf/forensics/tennis (many state champions)…
    and were one of the best theatre schools in the
    state of kansas.
    So watching the 8 minutes of football drama
    was kind of boring. Another boring/mundane
    mindless country song that only people who drive
    trucks would understand.
    as far as turner gill….give him some time..
    we wanted to get rid of gary pinkel at one time
    also…and look what he’s done for mu…….
    hang in there….its just one game….

  17. Anonymous says:

    True story Cliffy. I thought I was the bomb coming back to the sideline until my face mask was jerked into the coaches grill. He gave me a world class ass chewing about honor, honesty ,obeying your superiors and all that jazz. He was freakin’ pissed. To his credit he did say that this was between the two of us because if word got out about what I did he’d have to toss me off the team and people would look at me as a bigger shithead than I already was.

    Lots of life lessons learned in less than two minutes.


    GH: I changed a play in the huddle as the QB from what was sent in from the head coach my senior year. I wanted to pad the TD stats of our best wide receiver so he could make all-conference. I had him move to running back for this one play and called a straight-ahead dive to him from the one-yard line. How was I supposed to know the dumb ass didn’t know how to take a hand off? We fumbled the exchange and turned the ball over at the one. My coach went ballistic on the sideline! I can still see the sunflower seeds popping out of his jacket pockets as he jumped around screaming, “HALL! HALL!”

    Luckily, I was also the starting safety and he didn’t want to risk taking me out of the game to chew me out. The next play I picked off a deep post pass, giving us back the ball at about their 40. I immediately called a hitch-and-go to the same wide-out and he goes up and takes the ball away from the defender in the end zone for a touchdown. We won the game and the coach never said another word to me about the fumble.

  18. Anonymous says:

    Rick M
    I have a problem with local media being being one-sided in their coverage in order to retain their fandom. Columnists are different in that they’re paid to have an opinion and the bar is lower for talk radio, but ‘beat writers’ or scribblers who cover the game as a game should check their fanhood at the door.
    Naturally, this applies doubly for ESPN, Fox or any nationally televised games. There, any national anchor openly rooting for a team should be replaced pronto.

  19. Anonymous says:


    Heard you on 710 Sunday. Is that a regular gig? Loved your talk about some of your past writing and your kid being in high school now. Got to tell you, and maybe it was the station, but your voice sounded different.

    Love Ya Greg but for Xmas i’m sending you Tony Dungy’s book. You can be a good clean cut Christian guy and still become Super Bowl champ.

    When I die i want the speech that Matthew (not even going to try to spell it) gave as the coach in the movie We Are Marshall played at my funeral. Classic!


    GH: The recent 710 spots on Sunday nights is a favor for a friend of mine, Woody Cozad. He has been guest hosting for Kris Kobach the last month or so. I don’t know why I sound different — maybe I’m smarter.

  20. Anonymous says:

    I only played organized football in middle school. I was A-team QB…on a very bad team for two years haha. I scored one touchdown in 7th grade at wide receiver after being demoted from QB1. I scored another TD on a play where I forgot which way we were running…everybody moved to the left and I kept the ball and ran 40 yards to the right side. It was genius. On both touchdowns I spiked the ball and got a 15 yard penalty and a chewing from the coach. It was worth it haha.

  21. Anonymous says:

    As for the video…meh. Kenny Chesney is a no-talent, simple lyric writing boob. I agree with Cliffy…that was a cheesy, bad song. But the video and coaches were pretty coo.
    Here’s my favorite motivational vid…or at least one of them.

  22. Anonymous says:

    The Independent Rage
    Turner Gill had better not be one and done at KU, regardless of how this season turns out. People know I went to MU and therefore despise KU and always root for it to lose. But that sort of school rivalry silliness is very much trumped, in my mind, by Division 1 college football’s absolutely pathetic record of employing African-American head coaches. Typically there are, what, 5 or 6 such coaches among the 120 D1 teams? It seems like every time a few new African-American head coaches are hired, two others get fired to keep the total count at around 5 or 6. It’s a constant putrid revolving door. I can’t think of another level of any of our major American sports that has such a terrible record of African-American head coaching hires (I don’t purport to know anything about hockey, so maybe I could be corrected there — I have no idea).

    Which brings me to Gill: He was left NOTHING in the cupboard by that deranged and morbidly obese Man-Cheato. Gill faces an almost impossible situation: Trying to rebuild from the ashes at a traditionally non-football school. I wish him well, even if I feel compelled to of course root against KU in particular games (I had as much fun Saturday night as any MU fan).

    And a final thought: I have little doubt, regardless of how bad Gill’s KU team may be this year or in any upcoming season, he is very likely to beat MU exactly one-half of the time, just as he will lose to MU exactly one-half of the time. You can set your watch to that, just like you’ve been able to do for the last 120 years!

  23. Anonymous says:

    Independent Rage…I agree with most of what you’re saying here. The fact that there are so few AA coaches employed by universities that take state and federal dollars (not to mention the large proportion of AA players) is embarrassing really. But it’s a lot easier to justify a hire or dismiss firing a coach based on race alone when it’s not your school. Does a systemic problem in college football, real as it may be, mean KU can’t fire their own coach because it would remove another AA coach from the game? How about this…we trade you Turner Gill for Pinkel? *crickets*

  24. Anonymous says:

    Deez Nuutz
    Crying over football? Either you’re a huge pussy or you have some seriously misplaced priorities. Holy crap.

    I generally enjoy GH’s work, but this makes Hearne’s “writing” look like Hemmingway.

    Excuse me while I vomit.
    HC: Hemmingway, huh, who’s he? You wouldn’t be referring to Ernest Hemingway, wouldya Sherlock?

  25. Anonymous says:

    According to this article: http://www.bvonsports.com/2009/12/28/black-coaches-association-122809/
    approximately 8% of NCAA head football coaches are black. African Americans comprise appox. 13% of the U.S. population. It’s not that far off IMO. Of course, the article also points out that 70% of football players are black. Are we saying black coaches are more qualified to coach black athletes?

    Show me proof that more qualified blacks are being passed over in favor of less qualified whites and I’ll be outraged, but please, let’s not get into a quota thing.

  26. Anonymous says:

    Greg – You are right about the song/video. I immediately sent a note to my pop to thank him for showing at every one of my games even while riding the pine.


    GH: Pine riders need love too. I wish I could fire off a note to my pop as well. Those who still can, should.

  27. Anonymous says:

    Cliffy Says:
    September 8th, 2010 at 7:40 am

    According to this article: http://www.bvonsports.com/2009/12/28/black-coaches-association-122809/
    approximately 8% of NCAA head football coaches are black. African Americans comprise appox. 13% of the U.S. population. It

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