OTC: Jason Goes Whitlock On Newspapers’ False Integrity / Back Atcha, Pork Chop

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  1. Anonymous says:

    Jip
    The APSE awards are a bunch of crap, and no paper tries harder and more desperately to win those awards than the Kansas City Star. They hire writers who care about nothing more than going for APSE awards. Part of the culture in that sports department is the pursuit of these awards, which in the end mean very little when sizing up the quality of job someone does.

    I’ve never understood the obsession the Star has with the APSE awards, which starts with Mike Fannin and trickles down to every writer on that staff. I’m serious–they are obsessed with this mission.

    Whitlock laid it all out there honestly. This post, coupled with the fact that he hasn’t written a Star column in two months, leads me to believe he has one foot out the door there.

    Greg, I believe your Texas column story 100 percent. Good luck getting anyone else to publicly back you up, though.

  2. Anonymous says:

    Rainbow Man
    This is good journalism. The new “informed elite” will know where to look for the right information… and in this era… will be forced to also participate. The “letter to the editor” is dead. There will be opinion leaders, contributors, and followers. There will always be a place for talented and informed opinion leaders, thus… the blogosphere is in its infancy. Talent will still win out. Keep after it Hearne.

  3. Anonymous says:

    Monkeyhawk
    Meows all around.

    I like JoPo’s work. Yeah, you might know the story but he tells it so well.

    Whitlock apparently gets people to talk to him. I’m not sure he’s always the reliable filter of what is said but he seems to have clout.

    You, Greg, I like for the quality of your snark. Snark is like a wah-wah pedal; there needs to be technique. You usually have it.

  4. Anonymous says:

    MoCrash
    Jip is right, on both counts of his lede. I believe the drive for awards does nothing to enhance good journalism, and has led to the fluffing of news (as well to many high-profile cases of fabrication from such stalwarts of the industry as the New York Times and Washington Post). During my long career in radio and newspapers, I’ve always felt my best work was that which prompted response from my audience or readers, not impressed some assistant editor in Nashville (the type who do the awards judging), which is why I rarely submit entries unless pushed to do so by management. I guess some need the affirmation of peers to feel better about what they do, while others want something to bally-hoo about themselves or their company, but it’s pretty much bullshit. The subjectiveness of the judging process, along with the disconnect of the judging criteria to the mission of the news organization from which entries are submitted, make it an empty exercise in journalistic masturbation. I can’t say it isn’t gratifying to be recognized — the human ego being what it is — but it has always been devoid of any real meaning for me.

    Whitlock’s enmity toward Albom, though, is petty — and grounded in nothing more than envy (unlike Greg’s view toward Whitlock, which is grounded in personal experience). Albom, like JoPo, is a skilled writer who wastes that ability on feel-good crap instead of using it to actually explore substantive issues in sports. There is a place for good feature writing, of course, but that’s not necessarily the best journalism — although the awards count would suggest it is. What I’ve always found more interesting as a reader — and considered more fun as a writer — is to employ feature writing elements to event write-ups. All games, even a meaningless Week 10 high school football contest between two losing teams with no playoff hopes, have a story line — and its the exposition of that which can make a narrative compelling. (BTW, this was a lesson learned from the late Howard Cosell, who has never been given sufficient credit for this contribution to sports journalism; yes, he had a massive, unconstrained ego and became an insufferable sourpuss late in his career, but he raised the standards considerable in sports journalism for both broadcast and print media.)

  5. Anonymous says:

    PucKChaser
    Whit’s rant assumes that we readers are mindless drones that believe every drop of ink that is pressed to the dead tree. Please. Yeah, Albom’s columns may have been smaltz, but, you know what, they were great reads. You know what else, I, and probably many others, didn’t believe every single word of them. We just liked reading them. Guess what, we read the paper to stay informed, yes, but we also have to like reading it.

    Whitlock’s never going to get it.
    If you’ve ever been the subject of a story, you know that it’s nice to be interviewed. Then, you read the story and your thought is “wow, that sounds way more interesting than what actually happened.” It’s called…writing.

    Sure the APSE awards are BS. So what? So are the NATAS awards in TV News. Some station in KC will pull down 7 Emmys and four of them are in bizarre categories that had two other entries, like “Best children’s program with a religious twist”.
    Get over it, Whitlock.

  6. Anonymous says:

    Ptolemy
    The parallels between the music industry and the newspaper world are uncanny. Both are essentially having their money stream re-routed by the internet. People go for music where the talent presents itself instead of the CD aisle, and the same goes for the news and information market. Needless to say, that’s why I go here for GH’s work and wouldn’t know where to find Whitlock or JoPo’s work.

  7. Anonymous says:

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  8. Anonymous says:

    Dale Bye
    It’s truly amazing that Jason has been able to sustain his career without you writing for him anymore Greg. Your talents took you to the Platte County Landmark (and fired from The Star).

    Jason’s talents (or ghost-writers, as you suggest) took him to ESPN, Foxsports.com and Oprah.

    Gee, whom should we believe?
    ______________________________________

    HC: Get a clue, Fake Name Dude. Greg left the Star for a radio gig, he was not fired. In fact, the sports editor that took Dale Bye’s place wrote a tribute/thank-you item about Greg when he left, pledging to replace his column in kind. They never did.

  9. Anonymous says:

    barry
    it’s weird to me to read jason ripping albom for his schtick when whitlock has for years used the time honored schtick of taking on the biggest names in town and trying to start a war with them. straight out of the new york post sportswriter’s manual.

    whitlock’s industry financial analysis is way off base. almost every metro newspaper in the country has higher readership today than it has ever had. readership isn’t the problem. the reason there are less jobs and less profits is because the reduction in barriers to entry has fostered more competition and made it impossible to sell the historical volume of subscriptions and ads at the kind of rates newspapers used to be able to demand.

    you can put your employment ads or auto ads on line for a small fraction of the cost of a newspaper ad and get a very good return per dollar spent. that isn’t going to change because sports writers adopt a different method of drawing readers.

  10. Anonymous says:

    jojo
    whitlock…shut up. The checks keep coming in the
    mail.
    I personally think whitlock has done an incredible job of selling “himself”.
    He’s an average writer but he’s got to be the
    most qouted…remembered….most read…most
    cussed at…most visible writer ever at the
    star.
    Nationally, he took his column and got on oprah..
    made national headlines…wrote about race
    and sports. He got cited by every sports fan in
    this town continuously. He was on everybodys
    “to read” list. His pieces werent great but he
    got you into his weband you read every one of
    his columns.
    Give this guy a ton of credit. An overweight…
    uneducated…selfish…egotistical writer with
    very little talent turned himself into a
    national celebrity and it all came from his
    position at the kc star.
    Good for him. He’s done fantastic. He’s survived. He made big money and created a
    aura about himself. He’s controversial…he’s
    out there…but he’s also lasted when other
    untalented writers like hearne got washed away
    in the industry tsunami.
    Give this guy credit…lots of it. He took a
    small column in a small town newspaper and
    used that as a springboard to national fame.
    Love him..hate him…he’s done an incredible
    job of making himself famous on a national
    level. He sold himself…and if I’m correct theres not one other journalist at the star
    EVER WHO GOT THE PUBLICITY/FAME/MONEY/
    APPEAL/ THAT JASON GOT. HE’S A HUGE SUCCESS
    AND GIVE THIS GUY CREDIT…HELL…HE WAS ON
    OPRAH…WHILE THE REST OF THE STARS FORMER
    PEOPLE EITHER DISAPPEARED OR GOT LOST IN
    DOING OTHER THINGS.
    JASON…YOU’VE DONE WELL.

  11. Anonymous says:

    jojo
    GOOD LUCK HALL…writing for the platte
    county landmark? hardly qualifies as a
    column.
    I’ve really never seen any original writing
    from you about any sports subject.
    You’d probably be good…but wisecracking other
    more successful peoples qoutes hardly qualifies
    as writing. Try some original pieces and let
    your journalistic prowess show. You do have some
    funny items but all this OTC stuff hardly makes
    you a journalist.
    I would love to read some original stuff of
    yours. I still think you could bolt this
    site and begin your own and get lots of
    readers.

  12. Anonymous says:

    randyraley
    While I have no dog in this hunt, I’m surprised that no one remembers what Albom wrote when the Cardinals and The Royals met in the WS of 1985. He was none too kind about either city, I’ll just leave it at that. That was long ago but I’ll never ever read anything Albom has to say. Arrogant prick.

  13. Anonymous says:

    JimmyD
    It’s good to see Hall discuss in pretty good detail his problems with Whitlock. Now if you’d only do the same with KK the world would be a better place. The Pitch has around 100 of Greg’s colunms in their archives

    Greg, how much would you charge Pork Chop now for borrowing a few words?

  14. Anonymous says:

    Cliffy
    My wife wanted me read a couple of Albom’s books. That says all you need to know.

  15. Anonymous says:

    dp
    I believe you GH, but…..Just to play devil’s advocate, why should we believe you? After all, you TOOK the $200 to write the column, right? What does that say about your cred? I mean what makes you any better if you willingly took part in authoring a piece you knew to be bogus?

    I don’t doubt any of your story GH, just curious to hear your feedback.

    Albom/JoPo, hate those types…they really are just writing for the awards. Can’t take another JoPo ‘this is the Royals’ year’ article, Buck O’Neill piece or sob story. Enough.

    _______________________________

    HC: I was at the Star and familiar with Whitlock’s indiscretion with Greg’s work at the time. Greg did not sell his writing to Whitlock, he shared something he was planning on submitting for a freelance column to the sports section and was startled to see it appear in print in a special section for the Big 12 tourney. When he called Whitlock to complain, Whitlock allegedly said something like, “Sorry, man – it was just too good.” Then he sent Greg a check.
    _____________________________________________________

    GH: This is one of the reason my editor at The Pitch balked on the story. She felt I looked just as guilty as JW for taking his money to write a piece that would appear under his byline. I argued that all I was doing was what most writers want to do — get paid for what they write. It didn’t matter to me that Whit was taking credit for it. As a commercial writer, I wrote stuff all the time that appeared without any attribution.

    BTW; I didn’t bring this up again to solicit support for my side of the story. People will believe what they will. I know what happened as does JW. That will suffice for now.

  16. Anonymous says:

    Ivan Foley
    Greg’s talents were so well-respected that when he was fired from his radio gig we had to snap him up at the PC Landmark. In fact, we got into a huge bidding war with the Star.

    With Greg on board, our subscriptions jumped from 1,000 to 1,200. Well worth the $20/column we paid him.

    ___

    GH: The real Ivan Foley asked me to post his following comment to make sure no one mistakes this poser as The Landmark editor. I was just impressed that Ivan is getting some run. Is Fake Ivan next on Twitter?

    Foley: “I went to kcconfidential and noticed in the comments section somebody has written a post using my name. Of course the post is bullshit, not written by me. Don’t know what you guys want to do about it, if anything, but I’d hate for people to think I actually wrote that bullshit post.”

  17. Anonymous says:

    dlj
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  18. Anonymous says:

    Stevo
    love it….gonna go make a snarky comment on whit’s twitter. will report back if he does.

  19. Anonymous says:

    Ptolemy
    I remember reading an obscure anonymous, and overly wordy, writer for GH’s old Sportswaves.com website, who went by the moniker Soylent Green, once do a column shining some local recognition on Maurice Greene the at the time fastest man in the world who was getting absolutely no local attention for being a local who did really good. Magically, Whitlock’s very next column took the exact same angle. And I don’t think he paid that writer anything.

  20. Anonymous says:

    Kia Zi
    I slink around in the Underworld trying to find ugly dirt on everyone. Greg Hall is one of those guys that seems to always have a clean ass. People say he’s a great guy or they say he is an ass hole. The guys who hate him don’t have any legitimate juice on him. Saying a guy is a loser isn’t enough, there has to be real examples, victims, ugly pictures or videos and at least one exwife or girl friend that can tell you how he beat them. Technically, awards and trophies count for something. Just for the record, the KC Star has repeatedly said that Greg left their company to pursue other interest. People who love sports want to read about it so hurry up and give us some more!

  21. Anonymous says:

    MrOlathe
    Soylent Green. Nice PT. I remember that guy. A little wordy if I recall.

  22. Anonymous says:

    The Independent Rage
    I’ve long been a big fan of your work, Greg (and always will be), but not this column, particularly. OK, so you and Whitlock have your issues. Go cage match it or something instead of boring the hell out of me. Can’t recall the last time I cut out of one of your posts in mid-flight.

  23. Anonymous says:

    Randy Bobandy
    We should stop pretending that sportswriting is some sort of sacred profession. People like JoPo and Mitch Album are popular because they deliver what people want. Jason Witlock does the same thing- he is always there to be the devil’s advocate- and is always one of the first people called by Fox when they need a black face to badmouth black people.

    As for Mr. Hall, I don’t really see how being paid to ghost-write a story is on the level of fabricating stories like Mitch did.

    I also learned back in high school never to trust the KC Star- back when Jeni Carlson (I’m a man, I’m 40) was badmouthing my football team and fabricating post-game quotes when she was working the Johnson County HS sports beat.

    I just don’t know who to root for, the glurgy feel good sportswriters, the egotistical Star writers or the bitter downsized Star writers on this website.

  24. Anonymous says:

    The Truth
    Oh Whitlock paid Greg for a story…Hadn’t heard that before Greg….Jesus how many tags did you need to put before you can take some of your own advice and LET IT GO….1 question, how would you react if KK or Petro did a piece like this or was on 810 talking about this and was using every shot they had to talk about themselves. Hypocrite Greg, it’s getting old

  25. Anonymous says:

    Rick in PV
    What MoCrash said …

  26. Anonymous says:

    jt
    So according to Deadspin you just have an axe to grind and have been shopping this story for years with no takers. They refer to you as someone with dubious credentials. Response?
    http://deadspin.com/5592824/the-mysterious-trouble-with-jason-whitlock

    I’ll bet you’re getting a ton of email from lawyers right about now. How about posting some of it and let us read?

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    It is so unfortunate that he lost his job but its good that he could still gain our attention.

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