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Gavin
That big pile of rocks makes perfect sense. Those rocks are jojo’s “sources.”
Ptolemy
I’ll bet the number of home runs hit during the All Star game festivities exceeds the number that have been hit in that park since 1985.
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GH: Agreed. I am betting the FCA building on the north side of I-70 gets donged at least a couple of times during the HR Derby. Maybe we can invite Herman Munster for the show? Thanks to a reader and child of the 70s, here’s Hermie’s video clip of him w/ Leo the Lip and the Dodgers;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGQwUS73pVg
smartman
Kevin Gray is FULL OF SHIT. $65 million my ass. He obviously has a phd from the Tim Lie-Weekly School of Numerological Truth Manipulation.
A reporters job is to ask questions respectfully. When they get a non-answer they ask a follow up question respectfully. These pinhead academics, AD’s and other execs aren’t above ball breaking. Higher education in the US is laughable as is the collegiate athletics system. I have more respect for whores than any of these “academic elites”.
The US started becoming a Turd World Country when parents decided to become friends with their kids, coaches couldn’t slap around pussy players and reporters stopped searching for the truth and started looking for celebrity. It’s the job of the press to be feared like the Spanish Inquisition by those they cover, not the other way around.
jojo
actually the all star game is probably
worth more than that to the local economy.
Figure 10,000-20,000 people leaving behind hundreds/
thousands of dollars each.
The extr a people..the restaurants/bars/
taxis/shuttles/hotel rooms/extra money for
concessions 40,000 x $80 for food/sourveniers
etc…=$3.2 million alone…x 2 nites= 6.4 million bucks (hr derby nite/actual game)
but mostly the publicity this town gets that
otherwise would not get.
Can’t remember any event where 20 million people
will get to hear and see our city with the
tv/radio coverage….
millions in free publicity/advertising for a
town that pretty sleepy is not
bad….its worth millions and millions of dollars
whether cash in hand or blue sky.
Whatever the case its great to bring the
game back to kc. Maybe it will be a catalyst
to get this town moving again.
And remember…every dollar spent in tourism…
multiplies itself 5 or 6 times…
so whter its 60 million or 100 million…its
gonna be fun.
As far as mu…they will be gone…sooner than
later..
and greg…the rocks at mu stadium…
thats “the hill”……
thanks gavin for the shout…those were not
my sources..
anyone hear grandpa conman lew on the radio…
jeesh…someone put that guy out of our misery.
Gavin
Thanks for the clear denial of who your “sources” are. jojo. But I’m al ittle concerned that you felt the need toissue a denial. It’s a if you really think that those rocks COULD be sources, they just aren’t in this case.
And can you defines “sooner rather than later” for the group, please? How soon will MU be leaving the Big XII for the Big Ten? Will it happen before or after you race Greg Hall? Will your race with Hall be “sooner rather than later” or the other way around?
Ross
Why is $65 million that hard to believe? Found the list below on MLB.com – Anaheim is predicting $70/$75 million this year. St Louis said $60 Million for 2009. NYC estimated $150 million in 2010.
Year Host City Economic Impact*
2007 San Francisco Estimated $60-65 million
2006 Pittsburgh $52.3 million
2005 Detroit $52.5 million
2004 Houston $65 million
2003 Chicago $60 million
2002 Milwaukee $50 million
2001 Seattle $50 million
2000 Atlanta $49 million
1999 Boston $65 million
1998 Denver $40.5 million
1997 Cleveland $37.6 million
1996 Philadelphia $55.9 million
jojo
to sharif: (where did thsi guy come from..iran?)
we’re not stubborn. Someone there believes that
the future of mu lies within the big 10.
No doubt about it.
The star said that if texas left…the big
10 would have to expand and take MU…
or the SEC would have to expand and take
MU.
MU probably sat and watched the deal with
texas and their minions fall apart at the
same time the big 10 did. Since there was
no super conference of 16 teams, the big
10 felt no urgency to add additional teams
besides nebraska.
Hqd texas left…the big 10 has to grab
teams to expand to 16 and mu moves to big
10 leaving the other 3 schools without a
league.
It was a massive clusterfuk…and just like
we’ve seen in the past…a temporary lull
for us.
But…all the mu top people believe that the
big 10 is where their future lies..there
will be continued talks…talks probably even
going on now (hint)…because there are still so
many loose ends to tie up in the big 12…
missouri could get some time…
as hall said…and I agree…this is a temporary
10 team league. Wait…hold on….as I said
before it’s not over…the ink isn’t dry…and
papers are still to be determined.
If I was missouri…I would wait 3 weeks..
then start demanding more from the other
schools. If mu leaves..the big 12 dissipatesw
into thin air…and it’
s back to square one and the hardball
negotiations conatinue.
There’s more coming….it ain’t over til
the fat lady sings…and she aint singing
yet.
MrOlathe
I believe it’s called the “rock pile” but I’m sure jojo the clown has more insider info on the name than I.
MandDShagger
Hey Ross, I’m with smartman.
Everybody throws our big economic impact numbers for conventions, sporting events, retail developments, etc. If those MLB numbers were REAL then it shouldn’t be too hard for MLB, or somebody, to put together a little spreadsheet showing how they got to those numbers. X amount of people spending X amount a day on steroids, food, lodging, transport, shopping, strippers, hookers, blow, weed, bail bonds, lawyers, limos, gratuities, etc. You also have to allow for the fact that money, (or a portion of it), spent by locals during the event is just redirected economic impact not NEW MONEY that wouldn’t have been spent in the first place.
It’s appropriate that everybody is getting some free weenie at The K. They’ll probably run to Sam’s Club and buy those one-eighth pound, ,before cooking, water added, pig-dick, hot dogs,
Last time I checked Detroit was still making HUGE bank off of the Superbowl.
Kevin Gray is nothing more than Kevin Kietzman’s pivot man in his circle jerk.
jjskck
Ross:
Because those numbers are stabs in the dark too.
Take every “this event will impact the local economy by X dollars” announcement with a grain of salt.
Let’s say 25,000 people (probably an overestimation) come from out of town to see the All-Star game, which is probably. This includes a fair number of people from Wichita/Omaha/Des Moines and a much smaller number of people from Chicago or, say, Houston.
$65 million means each and every one of those people is dropping, on average, $2600 while they’re here.
Even with a generous business expense account, I would have a really hard time racking up those kinds of expenses in a week in KC, which is longer than most of those folks would be staying.
It’s just fun with number projections, just like the new convention hotel proposal, just like Power and Light.
Cliffy
The economics of ticket sales is fascinating. I was amazed by how the price of KU basketball tickets escalted exponentially once they got into the hands of the mob.
Stop picking on the rocks. What did they ever do?
MoCrash
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barry
i’m pretty sure those economic benefit estimates assume the old econ 101 multiplier. a new dollar spent in the market from a visitor gets spent and then re-spent multiple times. depending upon what you think the savings rate for kc citizens is, the impact of one new dollar could be anything from two to ten or more dollars of increased local gnp. so even 10,000 visitors dropping as little as $650 each could theoretically produce a $65 million bump in the local economy once the new dollars are completely circulated through the economy.
whether you believe the logic or not, i am pretty sure most of the estimates you read assume some level of multiplier impact.
Stevo
Lew is so condescending. His pressers are painful to listen to.
Mr.X
Re: “GH: Yes, there was a lot of misinformation
The Independent Rage
Speaking of hulkish men, where’s Jason Whitlock been on this whole story? Actually, where’s he been at all? It’s been about 3 weeks since he’s posted anything on the Star’s website. Not even one of his “independent thoughts” items. Not that I’m necessarily complaining, but his recent silence has been conspicuous. Something smells rotten in Denmark.
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GH: Whitlock typically works pretty steady from Chiefs training camp through the college basketball season and tourney. He usually takes June and much of July off for vacation. Happens every summer. He used to break in with a column or two if a big story hit — but I’m guessing he’s decided that with all the cutbacks and forced furloughs at The Star, he’d just sit this one out. He’ll be back once the Chiefs start packing for to St. Joe.
KOKO
JOJO you are afraid to race GH. And as I understand it you owe someone money.
Cliffy
Big, bad Lew’s treatment of Ms. Hawley is laughable. In the words of the late Hubert Humphrey (paraphrasing here) “It’s always a risk to talk to the press. They are likely to report what you say.”
We all saw what Lew said and now that it’s been reported, he’ll never talk to her again. Yep … that’s the way to handle that, Lew.
Johnny Utah
No one is talking about how the big 12 (minus 2) was REALLY saved: a bigshot said “knock this crap off before we blow this Billion dollar ‘non-profit’ business up and get Congress sniffing about this.”
All us college sports fans are being fed all this crap so we still pay hundreds and thousands in tickets and watch tv to keep this charade going.
It’s only a matter of time before Congress gets involved. We’re talking about public education institutions.
Think bigger, guys.
Rick
Huge H.H.H. fan. Great to know someone still remembers him.
DeArmond has been banned from MU. Now must report on the Royals.
jjskck
You’re absolutely right, Barry, and you’re also correct in your suspicions that I don’t buy the frivolous use of multipliers!
i own jojo
I guess my question about all of this is where was the NCAA in all of this. There was talk about athletes having to take trips across 2 time zones and missing more class. If I remember correctly this is the reason for no football playoff. But when there was talk about basketball expansion there was going to be a lot of classes missed.
The NCAA talks out of both sides of their mouth. Is it because they make money on basketball and not on football?
jojo
jjskck….multipliers and “turning of dollars”
is a common idea when economics is talked about.
If a visitor comes to kc…they spend a dollar
at a restaurant…that restaurant has a dollar
in sales…and goes out and buys the food
to feed that visitor…that dollar becomes
$2. Its simple but I agree it doesn’t actually
work taht way.
However…when kc talks about tif money they
use it because then the economic impact
of a project is much greater and looks
better on paper. Its an accounting trick and
theres really no formula for it.
During the bush years the government reported
that every dollar it spent would return
$2.00 in taxes…and every dollar in taxes
they cut would return $2.85. So its a magical
accounting trick that is used to mask the
real numbers.
As far as the economic impact on kc…its
still huge! Remember…local people will be
spending money at events also…buying food
drinks…souvenirs…etc…but it’s still
big for this town because we’ve been passed
over for so many events/conventions lately
that anything that brings in additional
revenue is big….whether its $6 million or
60 million dollars.
Its not just the visitors…networks pay
for labor to set up their facilities…
MLBusually has huge events that bring in
tons of money…the partys…the catered
events…the booze…the hookers even get
a “piece of the action”……so everyone’s
in the deal for the money…and its big
bucks. Went to st. louis for the game last
year and the entire downtown area was packed
the entire week before the game…just huge
money….
and the national media will be able to see4
how kc has changed….negro baseball museum
that few people know about…p and l…
it all get noticed and promoted for FREE
and thats worth millions of dollars itself.
Cliffy
If that’s the case, I suspect DeArmond will be retiring soon. Is there a worse beat than covering the Royals?
Speaking of the Royals, this came to mind, not sure why. I recall when Bob Costas was interviewing Ichiro on HBO a few years ago and asked himn something like, “What have you learned during you time in the U.S.? He responded, “Kansas City in August is hotter than two rats in a fucking sock.”
Of course, he meant to say, “Two rats fucking in a sock” … but it was still pretty damn funny.
Rick
Keitzman “I wish I had more friends.” Less lies=more friends. But hey at least you aren’t like the guys at the other station who say “I wish I had more listeners.”
Omaha
Greg, Thanks for all the postings during this time of turmoil, Big XII becomes temp ten. I have found more here and from your regulars than in the local paper. It’s nice to fly ones colors, call out the opposition, and flog JoJo. Speaking of which, I can’t wait till Oct. 30, when MO comes into memorial stadium like Marlon Brando in On The Waterfront. “I coulda been a contender………”
JimmyD
On Whitlock’s Twitter account there is a mention of him being overseas and there is another blurb about a newborn being at his crib. Baby Whitlock?
Uncle Dick
Oh man, that’s all we need, Whitlock procreating.
That little black Chuckie is probably nursing on a rib bone. Wonder if KC Tent and Awning makes custom diapers?
smartman
Fuck the multipliers and indirect benefits. If you’re bringing the family to KC for a week long vacation it’s because you can’t afford a REAL one!
KC’s getting the All Star game to get David Glass to lean on Walmart about selling more MLB merch!
Counting one dollar three times is why this country is broke. 80% of the shit we hear every day is a flat out lie! I’ve got 5 guys playing poker at my house tonight. Everybody brings $200.00. Add in my share and when the party is over someone is going to get an economic impact of $1,000.00. Not 2 grand or 4 large or 10 dimes just one thousand bucks. They’ll probably give half to their wife to shut her up about playing every week with the vacation or tuition money. So $500.00 is going to get pissed away tomorrow between The Plaza, Town Center and The Legends…just $500.00. Tell me how in the hell that half a GRRRR is any more then what it is?
Dollars are like sperm, lots in circulation but you only count the one in the uterus.
jojo
smartman…learn to add..
you bring $200…you leave with $1000…
you gained $800…not a $1000…
so here’s what happens…
your wife takes that $500 and spends it
at town center….that creates an
additional $500 in sales…those retailers
buy the products your wife buys (at trown
center they make their shit up 300%)…so
the retailer pays $175 to their suppliers
for thep orudcts. The suppliers pay the cheap
ass labor in china that made the imported goods
your wife bought from the retailers in town
center.
The $500 (or actually $300) you’ve got you
take to the boats or to a hooker. You get
blown. The hooker goes out and pays $250 or
half to her pimp. The pimp goes out and
buys some bling at Harold Peners Mens wear
who paid some slant eye $3.00 in an hour
in taiwan to make the fake diamond…Harold
Peners mens wear takes that profit and pays
his help who goes and buys some crack from the
neighborhood dealer who goes to walmart and
buys some diapers for the only child of
7 that he acutally supports. Walmart pays
the chinese guy in Shanghai $2.00 to make
those and it all gets back to one thing…
YOUR $800 INCREASE ALWAYS ENDS UP IN SOME
PLACE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU WANTED IT TO END
UP IN….AND THATS HOW THE MULTIPLIER WORKS!
the fake diamonds that went into
jojo
SORRY SMARTMAN…I DIDNT ADD IN YOUR
$200…EVEN SO….THE MONEY GETS FUCKED
AWAY…ITS LIKE WATER…IT JUST ROLLS AND
SPILLS THRU YOUR FINGERS…
i own jojo
where does my $1000 end bitch
smartman
Uncle Dick…funny shit about the diapers. That explains the kente cloth I saw at KCT&A. So is baby mamma a coal hauler or boom-boom-mammasan me so horneee girl?
Jojo, well fuck me! All these years with that degree of mine in Economics and I thought currency, sans inflationary spending and printing of the same, was basically a zero sum game. That’s why the Chinese are reaming our cornholes with 20 grit sandpaper. When they build those damn abacus things they only work one way….the right way!
Kia Zi
I’m glad the All Star game is going to be in K.C.! I can’t wait! It is going to be loads of fun and I won’t have to spend all my time standing in line waiting to use the bathroom!
i own jojo
jojo your wife did sing so it is over! $$$$$$$$ ignore it that is fine, but I will wear you out like the Big 10 wore out mu’s mouth and then I will leave you like they did…………………
Mr Google Says
It appears that some extensive research has been done to prove that yes, the economic impact of a national sporting event on a city is grossly exaggerated. Shocking, I know.
http://www.thesportjournal.org/article/upon-further-review-examination-sporting-event-economic-impact-studies
DonkeyPunch
Greg, question for you. During the Marco Polo commercial on 810, WTF does the owner mean when he says, “it’s the same recipe as my Mother Father used…..”. Dude makes it sound like the same person which is scary in itself. Don’t know if I want meatballs prepared from a shemale. Just sayin’
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GH: Speaking of radio commercial copy, does Rick the Tailor’s tag line; “Friends don’t let friends buy retail at Rick’s,” mean friends don’t let friends shop at Ricks? I am sure Tracy Thomas could write something a bit less confusing — just don’t let Tracy do the audio.
smartman
Mr Google Says: Thanks for the link. You are a gentleman and a scholar. I give you the ultimate praise I can offer; Fucking A John Tweety Bird! BRILLIANT!!
Mr Google Says
Smartman, as a newbie poster here, I will take that as a compliment and will add to the resume. How many FAJTB’s does JoJo have?
smartman
Mr Google Says, you have the first and only I have ever offered on KCC. Welcome. We need more like you here. Jojo is a good egg. He reminds me quite often of why I stopped taking drugs.
Cliffy
Regarding Mr Google’s link … isn’t that what Funkhouser tried to say about the Chiefs?