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Glow1
I know that many KU fans want to bury their head in the sand on this one and hope it goes away. It won’t. And no matter what comes up legally, no matter who is cleared, no matter if nothing happens to KU, perception is reality. Right now, my university’s reputation sucks, right or wrong. And that’s not going away anytime soon. The part about the Pump’s and KU players is especially troubling. The Pump’s have connections all over so this isn’t just a KU thing but again, it doesn’t matter. We are going to walk the green mile on this one for all.
Gavin
Fuck.
ShawnF
Go to Twitter.com and search “KU Ticket”. It’s growing exponentially
jojo
I TOLD YOU JAYHAWKS…I WARNED YOU…I GAVE
YOU FAIR NOTICE…I WAS RIGHT….AGAIN..YOU
REFUSED TO LISTEN TO ME WHEN I SAID
LOU IS A LOSER..
NOW…YOU’RE UP the creek.
I, and the only one to officially comment on this
site consistently, that KU would have serious
problems.
I warned you that lou was going to be a huge
problem. Having seen what MU had gone thru
and what problems they encountered…i
told you people that this would blow up in your
face.
From the time lou took this thing over…to the
time that he bribed the orange bowl to get ku
into that game and I knew this guy was bad
news.
Now…you didn’t listen. You thought you could
do no wrong. And this goes along with the
arrogant attitude that ku and its administration
and even the players have displayed.
Now you are screwed…and as a MU fan I LOVE
IT….STEALING…LYING…SCALPING…AND NOW
THIS WILL GO RIGHT TO THE TOP…ITS
A CLUSTER F*CK….
Arte
This is huge. But where is 610 on this story? I switched over and they were talking NBA.
KC Fan
I guess we know what KK is going to talk about this afternoon. All the K-State fans must be ejaculating with excitement over this story.
jojo
Watch for the douchebag in oak park mall to
be involved. He’s down.
jojo
playboy playmates…porn stars…millions in
cash…no wonder ku gets all those mcdonald
all americans…
i can see lots of cash ending up in recruits
pockets.
When the feds move in and shake down the
players watch for this whole program
to implode….i predicted this…i’m predicting
that theres smoke and a 3 alarm fire!
nick
Obviously, not good for KU.
But this sounds like it could explode into MANY institutions….all the bigger programs who get into big post-season games with highly sought-after tickets.
It’s hard for me to believe that the gun-toting, mafia-like men behind closed hotel doors and/or AAU guys like the Pump brothers only want to make money off Kansas’ basketball tickets.
KCFan
I don’t know why people are gloating over this. Even if Lew ultimately loses his job over it, he’s put KU in a good financial position for his successor. KU’s local TV deal and Adidas deal now generate more money for KU than KU’s entire athletic budget before Lew got here 6 years ago. Nevermind the Big XII, ticket sales, and donations. Yes, there will be negative news for a week and K-State and MU fans will gloat, but just as the scandals at K-State and MU have proved, they fade away and people move on.
jojo
nick…its huge money…and with demand for
basketball tickets for major games at all time
highs…people want those tickets.
Companies want them for good clients and they
don’t care what they cost…I had one client
who paid $4000 for 2 tickets to a ku game in
lawrence
thru ticket broker for 2 cleints..
its billions of dollars…huge
jojo
kc fan…this is going to be bigger than
any other scandal in big 12 history…its
going to involve more than we know…..
feds aren’t jsut looking for ticket brokers
and some scalping tickets…when its done
i expect ku to be really hurting.
Johnny Utah
only turner gill can save lew’s job now.
Doug
As a KSU alum I am not going to enjoy what is going on at ku. These things happen. Last year our AD had all the bad press. As soon as you gloat it is your school that is in the $hit storm.
Cliffy
This is much dirtier than I ever imagined. Lew is a slimy pig surrounded by slimy pigs. Let’s see if his “vicious cunning” can get him out of this one.
Goose13
This is bad. People can be happy that KU is taking it on the chin right now. But be prepared, I bet that they will be other schools in the BIG 12 doing the samething that KU did. KU is the first school named, there will be others. This is just the begining.
dirty money
Wonder if Roger ever sold tickets he got from Brady and other players? Sad day for such a fine upstanding university
Hammy
So what happens when Chalmers is ruled ineligible and ku has to vacate that title? Since Memphis already vacated their Final 4 that year who is declared champ?
kcredsox
Not to worried about Nebraska being involved, their basketball program sucks eggs.
Glow1
I know Lew is getting thrown under the bus here but the incidents described in King’s article start in 2002 under previous administration. Not that it matters because I’m sure Lew has his hand in things that we don’t know about yet.
Gavin
Thanks for the shoutout, Cliffy.
Orphan of the Road
The focus (so far) has been 2002 – 2003, doesn’t that procede Lou’s tenure?
Will Roy Williams’ tenure at KU be reduced to all forfeits? After all it is THE WILLIAMS FOUNDATION which is ultimately responsible for KU tix, right?
Looks like it may take more than KU down…
Gavin
Orphan, I’m not sure if you’re serious, but, no. It’s the Williams Fund, not Foundation. And that it bears the same name as Roy Williams is a strict coincidence. It’s not Roy’s Fund, isn’t named after him and he is probably no longer a donor.
nick
My point earlier is KU isn’t the ONLY school where this is going on.
It sounds to me that a mafia-like group found a way to make big money off sports tickets. They likely scanned the country for weak apples in big programs.
Lew MAY get hit hard by this, but I still think he’s on the outside of all this. It makes NO sense that he’d know of any of this going on.
jojo
I TOLD YOU SO. WHEN THE ALLEN FAMILY GOT
KICKED OUT OF ALLEN FIELD HOUSE FOR NOT
PAYING OFF THOSE GUYS I KNEW THERE VWERE
PROBLEMS. PHOGS KIDS GOT KICKED OUT…WERE
HUMILIATED…AND THE GUY KNEW IT.
ku fans…you got in bed with a slimy dog…
and now you’ve got fleas.
18,000 missing tickets? a mere oversight.
a mere coincidence? Stack 18,000 tickets on top
of each other. 1 MILLION TO 3 MILLION…
OBVIOUSLY THEY NEED BETTER MATH TEACHERS UP
IN LAWRENCE CAUSE YOU FREAKING JAYHAWKS CAN;’T
COUNT WORTH A SH*T…..CAN’T FIND 3 MILLION BUCKS
WOERTH OF TICKETS…CFHECK OUT THE TICKET BROKERS…CRAIGS LIST…STUB HUB YOU DUMB IDIOTS.
I know ku alums…ku boosters who complained directly to the guy about the ticket problems.
Something wrong here? ya think so?
ya think that maybe when you run the show
you could think about 18,000 missing tickets.
How come all the players were trading b ball
game tickets for concert tickets?
KU fans…Why wait.
Once the heat shines on those named the real
truth will come out.
NO grand jury yet…no investigations…but
there’s gonna be a huge look into this.
dp
This has to make Coach Self happy. Sad to see KU piss its rich tradition down the tubes with players bitching and dropping n-bombs on facebook, fraud in it’s fund raising arm, free tickets for porn stars from coaches and one and done players. Maybe $weet Lou can hire Coach Cal when Self gets sick of the BS. Coach Cal would fit in great at KU.
Stevo
My God some of you wishful-thinkers are so ignorant. Vacate a championship? Gimme a break. What do you think KU has been taking every D1 kid from Pump n Run AAU teams across the country. Those teams stock ALL D1 schools…not just KU. PLUS KC Pump and Run isn’t associated with the Pumps anymore, they’ve considered changing their name but have not yet as it is a national AAU brand…so the kids that have come from KC Pump in the last few years have no connection to the Pumps, except of course, Brady Morningstar.
Here’s the only way KU BASKETBALL OR FOOTBALL gets hurt:
FBI, which it will, goes after Roger Morningstar and he starts singing. of course that is assuming that he knows stuff, made payments, so on and on. He’s the only guy there who is caught up in this who is close enough to have done something NCAA-wrong involving the program. That’s where shit would hit the fan. I’m not hiding my head in the sand. This story still has not taken the leap from a investigation to an NCAA investigation. I hope everyone is washed out and serves their rightful punishment…and I hope my school didn’t ruin it for all of us.
jojo
Rodney will sing.
Roger will sing.
Brady will sing.
The married couple will sing.
Come on stevo…18,000 tickets…are you serious. But there will be more. I’m guessing
that you have students and other adminstrative
people involved.
This bogus study that the AD did was purely
speculation and unfounded talk. Like the
b.s. on a internet blog.
Now that there’s guns/mafia/money/recruits etc..
watch for the lights to go on.
as bachman turner overdrive sang…”you aint
seen nothing yet”
jojo
I hope self isn’t involved but he’s so into
the program that theres almost no way he
goes unscathed.
And what about his star 3 point shooter…what
did he know about daddy and his millions.
stay tuned.
Ross
I don’t think the FBI has the power to make anyone vacate any wins.
Sucks for the university – but, outside of jealous rivals – no one is going to care about this any more than they do the KSU athletic dept crap from a year ago.
The biggest windfall is for KSU and Mizzou fans to gloat a bit. Which is fine – since they’re programs are immune from scandals that require attending weekday basketball games.
Orphan of the Road
Gavin, thanks for the heads up. When I posted I had only caught bits and pieces.
Fund or Foundation I didn’t know if it was Roy-related. But what Yahoo is reporting is it goes back to at least 2002.
With Pump’s funding of “summer league” teams, it may affect a lot of seasons before it is all said and done. And not just at KU.
Cliffy
My pleasure, Gavin. BTW, I laughted out loud at your first post … very succint. Well done.
Stevo
Jojo I’m not hiding my head in the sand here or apologizing for the program. The link from ticket scandal to recruiting violations is a big leap though. All I’m saying is KU getting 9 players from Pump N Run teams isn’t, on its own, an indictment of the basketball program. There are tons and tons of those teams around the country and the HUGE majority of kids on those teams didn’t attend KU. That’s what I’m concerned about…my program…not these low-lifes who abused their position and power for personal gain. What I’m saying is…there’s a very good chance Rodney Jones, and the other employees that got the axe don’t have anything damning to say about the program itself. Roger Morningstar? Well if there are damning allegations to be made about KU basketball…not KU tickets for basketball…he would seem to be the one to make those allegations…and when the FBI is in your face YOU WILL SING. So in a way I’m satisfied that the rats appear to be in the light and are going to pay the price. I hope recruiting violations didn’t take place and the NCAA doesn’t find anything to damage the program. I do know it’s a possibility though.
JAM
I guess it’s not a good idea to go to KU and get a math degree.
jojo
any bets that rodney/roger and the rest of
the gang have lots to talk about?
The Independent Rage
It’s funny how Jason King actually breaks an important story about KU now that he’s with Yahoo Sports, while the dude never so much as broke a sweat while working as the Kansas City Star’s KU beat writer.
smartman
This goes on, to some degree, at every university that has decent football and basketball programs. This episode is probably only a 7 on the 10 scale. Tickets are money and money leads to greed and corruption. When you have folks working in and around athletic departments where coaches make millions there’s gonna be somebody trying to scam the system to get their piece of the pie. Why Lew Perkins still has a job is beyond comprehension.
Remember how shocked you were as a kid when you discovered that your parents had sex….with each other. Same deal here. At your alma mater’s athletic department somebody is fucking somebody and tickets are involved.
jojo
folks…to compete with the top schools in the
nation for these recruits you have to get in
the mud to get them.
Recruits usually come from poor backgrounds and
there’s always something they need that some
coach/booster is willing to give them.
Self gave mario’s dad a job. To play on the
level of ku you have to do the things that
other schools do.
I think that you are seeing that ku has dipped
into the cesspool of big time recruiting and with
it you’ll begin to see that dirty deeds.
I have noticed the lower quality of character of
ku recruits over the last 6 years.
It’s been evident to the public but noone really
paid attention to it. KU fans have said win
in basketball and do what it takes.
The basketball administration has had an
arrogant and greedy and money driven attitude
and now it’s coming back to bite them.
Expect major firings. expect more bad news.
Expect the whole ku sports to implode once the
questions come.
With the kind of money involved…with the
connections to the money involved…with a
major connection to big time college bball
involved….this story is only starting.
KK said it…this is like a wildfire just starting to get out of hand.
The question is: What didbrady and the rest
of the ku players knowabout this?
I think we’ll see the answer real soon.
dimebag
College athletics have been a joke for over 20 years. The feigned shock and surprise from Lew and the KU administration deserves a Tony Award. Whatever credibility KU had built up over the years is GONE. I agree that this goes on everywhere KU just got caught. Time to clean house. Hopefully this will lead to some serious action by the NCAA as well. I’m thinking no bowls or NCAA tourney action for 5 years.
barry
i got a kick out of various speakers at the press conference repeating the mantra that the system works fine, it’s just a few unscrupulous people who messed up. and then they announced all the changes to the system they are making.
Gavin
dimebag isn’t the first to suggest that there is some kind of NCAA violation going on and he may be right. But based on what we know right now, I can’t see the violation and I can’t see how KU got any sort of competitive advantage out of this. Now, the article leaves room for the inference that the Pump Brothers (whose next job should be in porn with that name) somehow funneled money to guys like Mario Chalmers and if that happened, all bets are off and KU is gonna feel the sting for a long, LONG time.
But if it’s really just a couple of rogue employees, I don’t see how this gets KU any kind of probation. Hell, even if Lew knew about it (or should have known about it),I still don’t see how there is a competitive advantage gained by it. Yes, the NCAA does tell member schools that they’re responsible for treating their allotted tickets responsibly, but clearly KU, as an institution, wasn’t helped by this. If anything, KU was hurt because it lost money.
So, let’s say that this is as far as it goes. Jones and the rest of them were taking tickets and selling them at a personal profit. That sucks, KU looks bad and Lew will be pilloried for his arrogance at the lack of transparency and that would all be fair game. But how does this influence anything that happened on the field of play?
Look at the situation at K-State with Ron Prince. Clearly something scuzzy was going on and clearly K-State stands to lose a lot of money for it, but where is the NCAA violation? Did K-State gain any sort of competitive advantage with its conduct? I just don’t see how. They stupidly signed a secret deal negotiated only by the then-AD who didn’t think to tell anyone and K-State may or may not have to pay a lot of money to Prince, but as unsavory as all that is, where is the NCAA violation?
Stevo
Please humor me by reading this:
As far as the bastards that committed this crime, screw em, lock them away in Leavenworth. Who cares. I care about the program and want to have an honest discussion on what could happen to the program. KK has been stating that Pump-AAU has funneled 10 players to KU. That is very misleading.
Here are the players:
Releford, Morningstar, Reed, Teahan Padgett, Wilkes, Chalmer, Johnson and Jeff withey. Those are the players quoted in the Yahoo story. Perhaps KK is throwing in Paul Pierce as the 10th. I don’t know. I don’t read minds.
NO ONE could possibly believe that Morningstar, Reed or Teahan were funneled to KU, right? They were afterthoughts in recruiting. They came because they’re Kansas kids. No program is going to risk anything to get these three. Releford was higher rated but he was a KU fan his whole life! Further, Matt Scott from theshiver.com, who actually knows AAU and what he’s talking about said he believes KC Pump N Run isn’t even affiliated with the Pumps and hasn’t been for two or three years.
Withey didn’t even choose Kansas! He went to Arizona and transferred.
Chalmers came to KU because we gave his dad a job. Duh. Wasn’t illegal then, is now, but it didn’t break any rules.
That leaves Padgett, Wilkes, Johnson. Three players who chose KU from an AAU org. that has dozens of teams across the country…in 8 years!!! That is not funneling recruits! Missouri has 5 pump n run players on their team RIGHT NOW!!!
Dexter Morgan
Breaking news: One of the posters above me has clearly displayed that he has no life and no job by posting 10 times today…
Stevo
you better be talking about jojo…i resent the implication:)
MoCrash
This is less about basketball, although Kansas’ high-profile program is the catalyst, than it is about corruption within the KU ticket office. I’m not sure embezzlement is the same as recruiting violations, although — as KC should well remember from the Myron Pigge Era — dealing with flesh peddlers like the Pump Brothers is risky; quality athletes may be provided, but the taint puts program’s in jeopardy. The money-grubbing culture of big-time college athletics programs — such as Kansas under Lew Perkins — especially when it conflicts with the university’s overall mission, inherently compromises both.
Stevo
There’s no evidence that players were provided Mocrash. 3 of the 9 were low rated recruits from Kansas. Kansas kids. Releford was also a lifelong KU fan. Withey didn’t even choose KU, he went to AZ first. We hired Chalmers dad, not a violation but sleezy. Tons of kids go through Pump N Run. 9 in 8 years is NOT a pipeline.
Rainbow Man
Culture. Lew Created this culture, and he will be gone before The 4th of July. KU will be blessed if this doesn’t earn NCAA penalties. This could be an Alabama style death penalty offense.
MandDShagger
Overlooked in all this is the fact that the Kansas University reflects the same kind of elite arrogance and self importance that you find in most holier-than-thou residents of Lawrence. Just living in Lawrence makes them better people. They make the Johnson County jagoffs seem sheepishly humble.
If the NCAA doesn’t issue sanctions I hope the Kansas Board of Regents does. Dimebag called for 5 years of no bowl games or Final Four action. I think that’s appropriate for this type of lack of institutional control.
Lew’s gotta go. He brought this shit with him from the east coast where colleges and sports departments and alumni and wiseguys all sweat together in the same steamroom.
Some shirt ideas for Larry Sinks:
Who Gnu?
Lou Knew!
Our AD needs to be PHIRED
Our AD can buy your AD
jojo
Fans/disciples/followers:
I have an incredible job…a great company…
and just last night celebrated a new client.
So don’t worry about me.
However…back to facts…again I was right.
While the rest of you KU fans celebrated with
delight the scumbag I warned you way back in
September of last year.
While you celebrated the start of an
“historic year in football” I told you no way.
I have been in business 20 years running
2 large companies (one with 28 sales people)
and I can smell a rat liar 40 miles away.
So while you people raved about the head guy…
I warned you that going back to 2007 he was
going to cause problems.
Spoke with some of my good KU friends last
night at nicka nad jakes and the first thing
they said was “lou is gone”. These are 20 year
season ticket holders who got the shaft with
season tickets yet still spent big money and
supported the team.
Now…we see who’s right. I saw what rats can
do to a college program when I saw what
happened at MU. I saw how they can destroy
a great university.
KU and Bill Self deserved better. And so did
Mark Mangino who built KU football into a
somewhat respectable position for a single season
then watched it die. But he still deserved a
chance to rebuild the team.
No way did
the school deserve to be represented by
a huckster! When I heard that the allen family
(the namesakes of the fieldhouse) had been forced
out of the arena I knew smoeone was running
a very bad operation.
KU deserved better than this. Despite my
hatred for ku when they play mu, I have the
greatest respect for bill self and the ku
basektball program.
I believe this story is bigger than most people
want to believe. If a fed investigation occurs,
not only will the adminstration have to
“lawyer up”…but so will the players.
What a horrible position to put one of the
finest, most respected, college coaches in
america.
This may blow over. But you should have listened
to me when I warned you about what was happening.
I will continue to advise you KU fans on what
to do as things develope.
I thank all of you for your comments about
my writings, your concerns for my personal
life and hope to see more references to the
facts that I bring forth in all my posts.
Thanks…jojo…
bschloz
New Tee
LEW
NANANANA NANANA HEY HEY GOODBYE
jojo settle down…MU KU lives on
Oh wait I forgot its now OHIO St. V
Mizzou…LOL. Dude this fucker has legs.
NCAA has been filthy since the 50’s.
Whitlock is right on…Self loves the
PHILLY CONNECTION thats the difference
between Top 20 and #1 seed. Clawback time
wheres the money?…Are we going to have to
extract Coach Bill Self’s Granite Countertops?
Gavin
Is it just me or did jojo just list a bunch of allegedly great stuff about himself and then say “however…back to facts”? So…the great stuff about you was “away” from facts?
jojo
gavin..I meant back to the facts of the ku story…
read brother….and the points about my life
are my opinion…don’t need losers like you
evaluating what i do…stick to the story
and lets discuss what i write about.
Arte
Now we know why KC Pump and Run Coach L.J. Goolsby can always be seen on TV sitting right behind the KU bench.
rick
Thank God 610 is covering pro basketball and not this boring story.