OTC: B12 North Football Recruits Continue To Fly South
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Axel
Greg. Have you been boozin with Dearmond? Usually its his dumass making statements like those above. You prove once again that you don’t know shit from shampoo when it comes to football outside the 3 local schools…and that is a stretch. Im surprised you have not become an AD with your vast knowledge of the recruting world and what turns on an 18 year old male athlete. Also, props for throwing Turner under the bus because he is a spiritual man. classy.
Gavin
Greg, what the hell? I’m not expecting you slobber all over Turner Gill or anything, but you don’t have to run him down with a bulldozer either. Dude just landed a recruiting class that includes a guy from Missouri who’d been committed to Stanford and another guy from Missouri who’d been COMMITTED to Mizzou as well as keeping Keeston Terry (Yep. Another Missouri kid.) away from Mizzou after Gary Pinkel had him over for a visit. Did Geneo Grissom get off the hook? Yes, but that sort of thing happens all the time. Other than Grissom, who did Gill lose? Dave Clark was weird-sounding story and I think there are details we don’t know, but other than that, Gill held together a decent enough class in light of what’s going on and the short time he had to do it.
But despite Keeston Terry, Brandon Bourbon and Dexter McDonald coming to KU you argue that Gary Pinkel has shut down the borders of Missouri? Yeah, you were talking about shutting them down to Nebraska, but if he’s letting talent get away, does it really matter where the talent goes if it’s not MU?
And to suggest that Gill’s religion is a turnoff without any sourcing is pretty suspect too. I’m sure some kids will not want to play for a coach like Gill, but I’m just as sure that there are some kids with very strong spiritual backgrounds who want to play football and excel at it. I’m trying to think of a famous player with a strong spiritual background. Someone who might have been really good all four years, maybe won a Heisman or a national championship despite that background. I’m sure there is a player like that somewhere and if I can think of him, I’ll name him. In the meantime, unless you know a guy who has turned down Gill because of religion, name him. Until you name names, it just looks like you have an ax to grind with Gill.
Cliffy
Greg’s take on Gill might be a bit premature, but I’ve felt all along Gill’s religion will work against him. Nobody should criticize him because his is religious, but it’s a big turnoff for many, many people. Mandatory prayer meetings and such just won’t fly in a big-time football program.
I’ll give Gill a pass for the time-being. But, if he starts wearing his religion on his sleeve it’s going to hurt him.
rick
Hate to jump on the bandwagon Greg but I think the above comments are valid and in a sense apply to the knock on Snyder also. You just can’t pigeon hole what recruits want.
Many inner city kids from highly religious back grounds where church is part of daily life. Mothers and grandmothers drag them by the ear to church. Church members are substitute dads.
By the same token many young kids are looking for a approval or attention from a grandfatherly (Bill Snyder) type of figure. Seeing a kid could be viewed as a status symbol. “Dude, your coach texts messages you?” “Coach Snyder is coming to Paola Kansas to see me play.”
Also if the parents influence the recruiting are they going to relate more to some young buck or someone closer to their age like Snyder? Just so many variables involved.
Gavin
I’m with you, Cliffy. If Gill starts doing that kind of thing outwardly, it will have a negative effect. But given the results he had in a greatly truncated recruiting period, to have held it together like he did strikes me as pretty impressive.
My bigger issue is how Greg Hall can assert that Pinkel has closed the borders of Missouri when KU just walked out with three highly-recruited players, one of whom was a verbal MU commit.
rick
I was writing my comments prior to Cliffy. I think you are wrong Cliffy. Besides the reasons above how do you explain the explosion of religious type behavior in the pros when its not mandatory? Teams having chaplains. Praying before and after games. The success of Tony Dungy? Did the team rebel against him? Throw in the fact you have kids that are looking for guidance and their parents want assurance their kids won’t get into trouble. It all equals success for Gill.
And how has wearing his religion on his sleeve hurt Dungy?
rick
Now you Gavin???? Explain that. How could that have a negative effect? Coach Gill “Son I would like to hang out with these Christian folks” Or coach B “Son your college experience is a once and lifetime experience……PARTY” I mean lets see get a girl knocked up, DWI, possession arrest, get into a fight with the basketball team….do you think those things are more likely or less likely if you are a church going kid???
It’s the like the co-worker who once told me she hated people that pushed religion on her daughter. But I never once heard her complain about drugs in school, pre martial sex, teen drinking. Apparently she was ok with that. Her attitude might explain why I was doing her sweet little Tiffany….she didn’t want religion pushed on her. Thanks Debbie.
Cliffy
Rick,
I don’t recall Dungy making religious references left and right, although I realize he is a religious man. That’s all I’m saying. I’ve read a bit about how Gill operated at Buffalo and it just seemed a bit over the top. I could be wrong. That’s why I said I’ll give Gill a pass for the time being.
Gavin,
Kudos to Gill for grabbing a couple of Missouri kids (Terry was going to KU all along) but Pinkel got what he wanted.
Stevo
Yeah that’s a bad take on Gill, Greg. He salvaged a recruiting class in a short amount of time. End of story. Now from here on, he needs to do much, much better. I don’t see how you can completely write him off after two months on the job. Plus, he did get one thing done that will improve his chances going forward. He got good assistants who can recruit. If I was the parent of a young black man, I would want them to go play for Turner Gill. I don’t think anyone could argue with that. Give him a chance!
Uncle Dick
Maybe Gill can get some help from Self and recruit inner city kids from the basketball team’s predominant religion, Rastafari.
Ptolemy
Has Snyder EVER had a highly ranked recruiting class? Last time I looked, KState was well-represented in the NFL.
Recruiting rankings are about as meaningful toward college football success as actual knowledge is at being successful in sports talk radio. How were the recruiting rankings for Boise State and TCU the past few years?
Greg — what’s the story on Carl Pellini?
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GH: I already responded to Pt’s queries about the Nebraska D-Coordinator but here’s what I know… Carl, who is married and has three kids, was caught in a sexual relationship with the daughter of a prominent NU booster. That was in October. I haven’t seen where NU has taken any action as far as Carl’s job status.
chuck d
Mizzou signed the top guys in the state they wanted and alrready have commits from the top 3 players for 2011 per Rivals. Terry would be at MU if there was space for him. Bourbon doesn’t fit the system at Mizzou but should be a good RB for kansass. McDonald followed Mitchell, that’s why he was at Illinois first. Comparing Mizzou’s class to ku’s is like comparing Plaza III to McDonalds
Rainbow Man
K-State has HUGE problems. Martin should get a bonus for diverting attention from the VOMIT that is the KSU athletic dept. KSU football has never won anything significant and they act like Snyder is Paterno. Snyder is a mistake. Something weird happened there. Weiser did not take a promotion— he just separated and went to the Big 12. Martin is a thug… but he wins and he will go somewhere else. The only cold weather schools that will do well are ones with huge tradition. NOT… K-State. They will never be Nebraska in football and they will never be KU in basketball. It is a great school to learn milling science though.
MrOlathe
Really GH…WTF???? Things a little, uh, lonely at home??? Dude, you got some serious red ass going on. The only tongue bath I see is you on Pinkel. And Watson is right. Tiger needs to ease up his on course temperment. And this was an issue BEFORE he became the porn king of Orlando!
mike
KU beat Mizzou for no one MU wanted……no room for Terry, eventhough he wanted to come, McDonald followed his Illini recruiter to KU, and MU was never in it with Bourbon at any point……..Mizzou got who Mizzou wanted in Missouri with the exception of Millard who went to Okie……
Arte
Can’t wait to see all the great Mizzou recruits get beat by the likes of Navy in a bowl game again.
Bill
The more Hall hates on things the more they succeed (see Nebraska football and Kansas basketball). I hope Pinkel keeps beating the Huskers for whatever recruit he wants because he won’t have any excuses when he gets outcoached like last year.
Hope MU enjoys all their non-qualifiers this year. Doesn’t do much good to sign them if they have to go to a JUCO instead.
Gavin
Rick,
My phrasing was inartful to say the least. What I should have said was that if Gill goes out and makes “everything a religious experience,” as GH said he would then he runs a serious risk of blowing it. Mind you, I’m not saying he will or expecting that it will work out that way but if he does, it could backfire. But you’re right to call me on making way too big a generalization. And there is no reason to doubt that a man of faith can do very well in this job.
As for the rest of the comments about KU only getting guys MU didn’t want, bullshit. I’m not saying that KU got a better class than MU but you would’ve taken Terry in a heartbeat and you’d offered McDonald. Shutting down the borders indeed.
MoCrash
Screw recruiting ratings; it’s mostly hype and speculation, anyway, kind of like those junior high hoops studs tabbed for varsity stardom — no more than WAGs (wild-ass guesses). There are a handful of players who are locks, but after that there’s no telling who will end up playing key roles and who will be roster fillers. And I simply love the crowing about a neighboring school swiping a two-star recruit from Missouri — like that’s going to make any difference in the grand scheme of things in the Big 12 North. Long-term trends suggest Pinkel will continue to undercoach Grade A- talent, Snyder will continue to coach up the D talent he’s capable of luring and Kansas will go through three more coaches before coming close to what it did in 2007. And WhoTF care about Nebraska, other than Greg? Any Missourian who roots for Nebraska ought to be sent there with a one-way ticket on a leaky raft across the Mighty Mo — but I’ll still read your column anyway, GH. 🙂
I’m more interested in details on why Cowboy was gone and Chris is so concerned about job security at 610 (other than his ratings) that he’d mention it on the air.
jojo
remember…sean weatherspoon and danario
alexander were just 2 star recruits out of
texas for mu…now they may be fiirst round
draft picks…
the rivals thing is good if you’re texas..okla.
…florida…usc…but it doesnt connotate
into winning championships or games.
Missouri did get 2 great qbs…gabbert and
franklin put mu in the #2 qb position.
Now if only mu can get a big name running
back! They just can pull the string on someone.
If they had a running game their offesnse
would be unstoppable. But with just a passing
game it limits them.
MU has plenty of receivers…they brougt in
another one…
still the problem has and will be…mu has to
learn how to beat teams in the south…..
ku/kstate/iowastate/colorado are basically dead
programs. NU is on the rise but mu can beat
them. Its just the south teams and until they
assemble a team that can beat the south its
going to be a long long season every year.
Interesting point about bill self and
henry…someone said that bill self hored
himself and the team out to bring in henry…
I’m a huge self fan but maybe thats a
good point. We’ll see because eventually this
kid will come around and be big time.
I hope so. He has the talent and i hope he’s
not another rush.
Cliffy
Give it a rest, Gavin. KU may have gotten one with McDonald (although there was a prior relationship there when Gill hired the recruiter from Illinois) but it’s a good “get” for KU.
KU didn’t steal Bourbon from MU and Terry’s parents both went to KU. Save your arguments for when Gill truly accomplishes something.
can’t say
JOJO STFU until you race. You have no credibility.
rick
Gavin, Cliffy, and Greg-As I was pondering Gill and the religious thing I wondered if it might also be a strategic move. Not that i don’t think his beliefs are sincere. But think. The previous coach has gotten national publicity for physically and mentally abusing his players. Now we have a coach that is preaching family, love, and God fearing. The message to the parents of recruits “YOUR KID IS SAFE HERE I’m a Christian man.” Just a thought.
Cliffy
I partially agree with you, Rick. I think Gill is sincere and I think Lew Perkins is sleazy enough to want to capitalize on it.
rick
Nice to know that bucks for a job that is a forgone conclusion that he is going to lose are more important then his integrity. Way to go Chris!!!
Greg we know about your personal dealing with 810 management. 610? As my eye doctor says. Better? Worse? Or the same?
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GH: I think 610 is trying very hard to improve and they continue to fail miserably at that goal. Kevin Kietzman has more enemies’ scalps on his belt than Jason Bourne.
Gavin
Cliffy, easy there big fella. I’m not bragging about any one of the recruits and I know that Bourbon wasn’t a Mizzou commit. I also know that none of these kids has done a thing in college yet and it’s likely most of them never will. All I’m saying is that Greg Hall said that Gary Pinkel has shut down the borders of Missouri and I point out thfree players from that state going to KU. One of them was a Mizzou verbal, one, despite what some people say, was a kid MU wanted and the other is a kid who apparently has a ton of skills and appears to be the jewel of KU’s class. Again, I didn’t say that KU’s class was better than MU’s, I just stated the facts and the fact is that Mizzou clearly hasn’t shut down the borders of the state when it comes to recruiting. This has nothing to do with the sheer power and awesomeness that is Dexter McDonald, the smarts and skill of Brandon Bourbon or the quick feet and sure hands of Keeston Terry. It’s simply that Pinkel has not shut down Missouri to all outsiders.
I’m stupid
Jojo quote “bill self hored himself”. Isn’t it amazing that a guy that claims to be a MU grad and run this major company can’t spell his mother’s occupation?
Can’t say
KABOOM!!! Another knock out of the most despised man on the boards.
bobby
can’t say: jojo is right! You have a problem!
Can’t say
Jojo just as you have in the past we know you write under Bobby. Sorry try again. Hey Bobby/Jojo when is the race? You are one messed up dude jojo/bobby.
Uncle Nick
Looks like someone got BUSTED!!!
Cliffy
If you want the phrase “shut down the borders” to literally mean absolutely no athletes from within the state go elsewhere, then yes, Gavin, you’re right. Feel better now?
Quit being silly. Pinkel has shut down the borders in the sense Greg meant.
dp
K-State has NEVER gotten the 4 and 5 star kids. We did have that 3 star T Newman kid from Salina. Pretty sure that one guy, uh, Darren Sproles was a 3 star from Kansas…Oh, and help me out, what was the final score last year of the K-State/A&M game? Yeah, that A&M with a Top 25-30 class every year.
A lot more goes in to winning football games that recruiting class ranks. Ask Charlie Weiss if you don’t believe me.