OTC: Grunhard Is Heartbroken Over His Chiefs, As Am I
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Looper
Uh, the Patriots are notoriously ruthless with their personnel moves and have been for years. You guys didn’t notice this before? They were hired to win – and Grunny’s 80% will come back when there is a whiff of competence from the players at Arrowhead – and this is how they know how to win. Period. Grunny, Whitlock, etc., are basically demanding that Pioli and Haley win by doing the same things Herm and Gunther did while losing. How do you think that’s going to work out?
All this whining from the media about “oh, they better win because they’re being really mean to everybody” is crap. Herm was nice, let the media do whatever the heck it wanted… and his teams were terrible. It honestly makes me think that the KC media would rather have full access to a Herm-led circus than reduced access to a winning team. As a fan I don’t care what fantastic quotes Waters feeds Whitlock when the Chiefs are 2-14. Football players are only as interesting as their win-loss record.
greg
Loop,
The history of a franchise warms the hearts of fans through the chill of despair. Kill that, you extinguish the flame.
MoCrash
I understand that the new regime wants fans to focus on the future rather than opine for past days of glory — especially since the present is so atrocious — but failing to embrace former Chiefs stars is counterproductive. Not only does it disenfranchise the club’s traditional fan base, but it deprives the current players the wisdom of winners. There’s a lot that the Chiefs can learn from the likes of Willie Lanier, Bobby Bell and Buck Buchanan (who was my favorite as a kid) — or even from more recent players, who didn’t win a Super Bowl, but took a few AFC West titles.
But I guess the ScotTodd Chiefs don’t want winners around. Maybe it reminds them of the laughingstock the franchise has become, or maybe it displays standards which they lack the confidence to know they will achieve. While being forward-thinking is an attribute in pro sports, cutting links to a glorious past does not produce champions — it only reminds the fans of what the Chiefs are not now.
JayhawkTony
I wonder how Grunny is going to feel in a couple of weeks when his Prairie Village church hosts its annual fundraising auction (Read: party the only way Catholics know how to party).
John
Greg,
I find it interesting that orginizations like the Packers, Steelers and Cowboys always ask or think it’s OK for their greats to come to games or practices, but the Chiefs now don’t want to have anything to do with their greats.
Maybe it’s because Scott Todd came from teams that really didn’t have any good history until recently. Until the mid-90s NE was one of the laughing stocks of the NFL. And AZ had one or two good years hidden in 75 years of garbage.
Or maybe their just jerks who don’t want anything to do with the past.
Watching the Dallas, NY game Sunday you saw so many Cowboy greats from the 60s, 70s and 90s. The Cowboys orginization wants to show their fans young and old about their history. But a bad team that won a SB during the Nixon administration doesn’t.
Ptolemy
So what exactly has “embracing” George Brett and Frank White accomplished for the Royals?
Lots of us enjoy seeing the media get pissed off because they don’t get the access King Carl used to allow them.
Grunhard’s 80% will jump back on the bandwagon when the team starts winning. We are a bandagon town.
greg
Pt,
I think KC is anything BUT a bandwagon town. The Royals will draw what, 2 million this year? The Chiefs haven’t won a playoff game since the 1993 season and we haven’t had a non-sellout blackout game yet. One has to only monitor the local sports radio stations to know this town beats with a rare passion for its sports team no matter their success.
Ptolemy
GH, there’s nothing else to do in KC other than follow the local professional teams. I was speaking to Grunhard’s 80% of the fanatics that aren’t really fired-up about the Chiefs like they once were. The Royals are more like 90-95% after the 24 year beatdown we’ve had to endure. If there were anything else to do in KC, the attendance numbers would be way down.
There’s nothing wrong with being bandwagon fans. It’s actually a mark of honor because it indicates that the fan base isn’t a pack of mindless rubes that will allow themselves to be taken advantage of by a bunch of spoiled millionaires. You need to earn fanaticism.
Cliffy
Callahan cut ties with the past at Nebraska and look what happened. Believe me, I’ve enjoyed Nebraska’s demise as much as anyone, but I think there’s a lesson here.
I was esctatic with Peterson got the ax but I’m finding it difficult to support this new regime.
Ptolemy and Looper are right, if the Chiefs win nobody will care what Scott Todd does. But is it really necessary to be such assholes?
rick
This issue lays at Clark’s feet for allowing it.
Just the opposite of what Bill Self did when he arrived at KU. Haley should be using these former greats to tell the players about going to a Superbowl.
Greg-My favorite stuff Greg has always been you talking about your past be it with your father or other memories. You took me there when you talked about sitting Indian style on sundays watching football on the old black and white. I could see the rabbit ears with the foil on them. And actually getting up to change to one of the four channels you had. GREAT stuff.
JO-Blow-So where are you? You blast me for talking about the thrill of opening up a baseball card with the gum in it and call it sick for a grown man to think of that. But yet you say nothing about Greg talking about the excitement of watching the AFL on a black and white tv?
It’s not all about the money. It’s all about the therapy.
See Jo-Blow this is how we know you aren’t all there. There is no consistency in your thoughts. One minute you are calling Greg a low life piece of crap. Next minute you are telling him he should have his own web site because this is the only reason people come to this one. The few times people agree with you, you are unable to recognize that and blast them. You complain about baseball card memories and call it sick which is ludicrous. But you say nothing about others recall of times past.
Seriously you need to get some medical help and I hope you do.
rick
The weakness of this is that it is never made clear what happened, what incident, occurred with Timmy and the Chiefs???
“Somewhere Bill Maas is smiling” Yes at 610.
I listened to Boal and Gruny wed night and it was good. By the same token I’ve only listened to Nick wright for short periods of time. I’ve liked him. But today I listened to him for quite awhile. Seems like a lot of pauses and dead air time. Very strange type of radio announcing.
nick
If Grunhard’s claim is 100% true, then shame on Pioli.
But I have a feeling this is something that will get better as Pioli settles in.
I’m wishufl thinking (and hoping) that Pioli will learn how important it is to embrace the Chiefs players who fans LOVE.
I think Pioli is so hell-bent on his #1 goal:
To change the losing culture that has enveloped Arrowhead. He said on day 1 that this would be a process and fans would need to be patient. Of course, we’re not patient AT ALL and are already flame-throwing after 2 close losses with mediocre (at best) talent.
I like Grunhard A LOT, but his comments at this particular time sound selfish and petty. Pioli seems like a VERY bright, workmanlike, honest guy. I find it near impossible to believe that he’ll continue to shun older players, if in fact that’s been his intent.
Old Man Kissel
Of Course Bill Maas is smiling. 610 gives him the best blow and X in the city.
810 scoops 610 once again!
Uncle Dick
Rick,looks like you are the whipping boy for Sybil today.
rick
Nick I agree we are failing to be patient. Uncle Dick you are almost always right. He’s bonkers.
AB
These teams are businesses and they are no different than any other business. When you retire, quit or get laid off from the business you work for, do you expect the company is going to let you come back and hang out in the employee lounge or break room whenever you want. Maybe they’ll just let you mill around the office place without any concern with the fact that you might be interrupting the real work current employees are doing.
If the Chiefs organization wants old players around, they’ll hire them as consultants. Otherwise Grunny and anyone else who use to play for the Chiefs need to get on with their life. They are acting like old men who use to play in high school and show up at the high school coaches office to relive the past.
Uncle Dick
I don’t read jojo’s rants. If I wanted to hear from an asshole, I’d fart.
rick
I have never actually read an entire rant. Just skim through them. Life is to short and no one one knows how much time they have, and I don’t want it wasted on reading lunacy.
AB-In regards to leaving companies and how they treat you afterwords. Good food for thought. In general once I’m gone I’m gone. I would say sports are a little different in that they sometimes need or want you after playing days. I think it will be interesting to see how the Chiefs fall all over each other when Tony goes into the Hall.
The few times I’ve encounter workplace after I’ve left I’ve had both reactions. They’ve taken me to lunch and talked about business. They’ve also given me a look like they wish i was dead.
I think Greg and Jason should swing by 810 to see how they would be treated.
Collective Noses
I understand, and agree, with the point that an employee that leaves a company should have no expectation to continue to mingle with current employees on premises. However, the converse of this discussion which may be more applicable, is that of a new employee that starts with an organization and intentionally allineates people that could support them in the new role. When I start with a new company, at least in my experience, I look for help or advice anywhere I can get it. I can rely on my predecessors experience to shorten my learning curve and help build bridges for support. Not completely apples to apples, admittingly, but a different way to think about the situation.
For the record, I’m not ready to convict the new regime yet. I certainly don’t like the management style (or at least how it’s being portrayed in the media) but as has been pointed out in some excellent comments above….winning will change everything.
rick
Collective-great points!!!!
craig glazer
I know and like Tim and Jason, have been on the shows with them many times…however, as sad as it is, this poor treatment from owner/management…its about winning, we are now losers and this is the price you,us and all of us pay for being a poor organization for several seasons…
Looper
My question remains: what good did these retired guys do the Chiefs in the last 10 years? None.
ManDshagger
If there’s no crying in baseball then there can’t be any whining it football. Holy Shit! It’s football not fucking Love Story. You’re done playing Grunny. That was a pretty fucking cool chapter in your life. Move on! You can have more impact in your current job as a teacher and coach then anything you ever did with the Chiefs.
smartman
I had a friend was a big baseball playerback in high schoolHe could throw that speedball by youMake you look like a fool boySaw him the other night at this roadside barI was walking in, he was walking outWe went back inside sat down had a few drinksbut all he kept talking about wasChorus:Glory days well they’ll pass you byGlory days in the wink of a young girl’s eyeGlory days, glory daysWell there’s a girl that lives up the blockback in school she could turn all the boy’s headsSometimes on a Friday I’ll stop byand have a few drinks after she put her kids to bedHer and her husband Bobby well they split upI guess it’s two years gone by nowWe just sit around talking about the old times,she says when she feels like cryingshe starts laughing thinking aboutChorusMy old man worked 20 years on the lineand they let him goNow everywhere he goes out looking for workthey just tell him that he’s too oldI was 9 nine years old and he was working at theMetuchen Ford plant assembly lineNow he just sits on a stool down at the Legion hallbut I can tell what’s on his mindGlory days yeah goin backGlory days aw he ain’t never hadGlory days, glory daysNow I think I’m going down to the well tonightand I’m going to drink till I get my fillAnd I hope when I get old I don’t sit around thinking about itbut I probably willYeah, just sitting back trying to recapturea little of the glory of, well time slips awayand leaves you with nothing mister butboring stories of glory days
JoHawk
How would you all like it if your employer treated you like a piece of shit all day, every day? That is what’s going on at 1 Arrowhead Drive. I do not like those guys, and I was initially excited about Pioli at least. Haley, never really liked that hire. He’s nothing but a goddamned bully. Yeah, he was a stud on the golf team but couldn’t cut it on the football field. Guess he’s “getting even” with all those guys who pissed in his Cherrios when he was younger. Haley’s shit will not fly long-term in the NFL.
Out.
jojo
RICK IS….
1. strange! I never said this man was sick.
I said he was strange. A grown man getting excited about opening a pack of baseball cards
to see whats inside…IS STRANGE.
2. QUEER! never said you were strange but
spending your nights listening to sports
talk radio is unsual. You probably don’t have
kids which leads me to believe at your age
you like other boys/men.
3. LOSER: You said you were fired from several
jobs. Maybe rick if you didn’t spend all your
time listening to sports talk radio and focused
on your job you might not be out looking for
work so often. Employers frown on people who
don’t do their work so maybe try doing the job
you were hired to do and you won’t end up
getting fired so often. I know this, I have
18 employees. If you’re fired from your present
job (if you have one) go to craigslist and find
one there.
3. FREAKING IDIOT: YOU can only attack me
personally. NOt once have you intelligently
offered a counter statement to anything I’ve
printed. All the losers here say they don’t read
my post but everyone of you can qoute them going
back months. Impress people with your intelligence not your stupidity. Try saying
something pertinent to the discusssion not
saying how excited you get by strangely doing
the things you write about. Rick you are strange.
4. A HOMEBODY: Rick..get out of the house.
5. UNUSUAL: rick you have to be in your 50’s
or 60’s ….if you remember rabbit ears on tv’s.
Times have changed rick…get a life.
6. Poor reader: MY attack against mr. hall had
more to do with his continual jealousy of others
in his business who are moving up. His continued
jealousy of those who have better positions.
He can’t stop his constant negativity. When
posnanski got promoted to one of the premiere
magazines in the nation (SI) he said the
magazine was worthless. Yet he’s stuck with a
part time position making pennies from hearne
for writing a blog on an unknown site. He’s
jealous..he’s done nothing and ends up here while his competitors are nationally recognized,
moving up to great positions, making more money
and being more successful. Hall can’t stand that
his professional life is basically in the toilet.
But thats what’s happening all over. When someone moves up everyone makes that person a
target to compensate for their own lack of
a life. Hearne never worked a day in his life.
Silver spoon baby. He can’t get over the fact
that he’s reduced his career to this site after
the star fired him. He doesn’t mention that the
Star still make millions and millions of dollars
every year while he’s “stuck” wasting daddy’s
money and trying to be some big time guy.
Hall is a very funny guy. He writes some really
insightful/funny things and I’ve pointed that
out. Whether people here agree with me makes no
difference to me. See what i’ve written and see
if the ideas and facts make sense. you feel
the need to tear other people down with out
facts and to make yourself feel proud
about yourself. You are truly a loser.
You are one fucking weirdo. YOu are are the
queer I hopemy kids don’t meet up with. You
are not sick..you are one strange mother fucker.
GET A LIFE.
JimmyD
Lets go Chiefs!!!!!
Dave
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Grunny talks about ex-Chiefs not getting the royal treatment and people are throwing around names like Lanier and Bell and other actual legends of the game?
Newsflash: Grunny is talking about HIMSELF.
Dave
Also, PS: the administration “throwing dirt” on their ex-players is honoring Priest Holmes during a halftime ceremony at the Cowboys game in two weeks.
Get bent, Grunhard.
The Last word
JOJO_You are just what Rick says. Crazy and a idiot!!!! Check your post on Sept 24th 2009 at 10:18. Your first line is “Rick as one sick bast**d”
You are so stupid you don’t even know what you say. Rick is right!!! It’s a sign you have mental illness when three days later you don’t recall what you say and it’s in F*CKING WRITING!!!! Or maybe u r just on meth.
You complian that Rick goes back and reads your posts from 2 months ago but based on your above rant you have been writing everything down he has ever said. What are you gay and stalking him? Why do you give a rats ass what he says? You homo freak.
And if you understood what he read he never talked about opening a package of baseball cards as an ADULT.
No Way you run a company. You couldn’t run the slurpeee machine at 7-11. You have NO communication skills.
Also loser where has he ever talked about spending his nights listening to sports radio? Another dellusion?
If you every said anything inntelligent I’m sure people would respond. Instead you just spout crap. Also how did u go from having 100 employees to now just 18? Or did you forget that post? If u r going to LIE keep it the same so no one catches on LOSER.
Your pyscho side is out this time also. No wonder Dick calls you Sybill. One second you are talking about a loser Greg is then you are saying how he writes insightful stuff. You’re are a nutjob.
Rick no need to kick his ass-I just did it. Back to Mexico for you or the insane place.
AND THAT FOLKS IS THE LAST WORD!!!
Mrs JOJO
This is the last word. Jojo (Joseph) goes to Vegas and Mexico because he gets something there that I long ago stopped giving him. You also should know that a result of severe VD is insanity.
The Last word
Also Jojo if no one reads your posts as Rick and others have stated. How or why would they respond to them. DUH……..
jojo
LAST WORD..
read fu*king idiot…started new company…we plan to have 100 by first of next year…please
put on your reading glasses OLDMAN!
he said…”I listened to grunny and boal last
night” …get a new hearing aid OLDMAN…and
put those $5 glasses back on OLDMAN.
Have run 3 companies…and all very successful.
Started a new one north of the river and although its a challenging time to be starting
a new company in this economic environment
its going to be successful. And if you need
a job old man we really need competent people
with reading skills which you don’t have.
Still…last word is another loser. Not one
intelligent point to counter anything I’ve said.
Last word= loser.
Rick= loser.
Come on guys lets get back to a debate/conversation about the things I said
about sports/politics. You old fools can’t because you have no brains.
Lets stop the b.s…and prove the things I
say are wrong. that’s what this site isabout.
And yes…I have dogged hall about his writings
and his jealousy about other journalists who are
doing great things while he sitson this site.
And I’ve also pointed out that he has some
very funny and insightful points that he’s made.
And some people haveagreed with things i’ve
written and disagreed with others. This isn’tlife
and death last word. My last word is get a life!
The Last Word
Yeah now that you are getting your ass kicked you want to get the topic off of you and back to your “intelligent’ comments.
Who’s a loser and needs to get a life? I post and 7 minutes later on a Sunday you respond. Yeah, we know who has no life.
To be a GREAT supervisor you have to be able to admit you are wrong and apologize. I know NOW you want to change the subject. But MAN UP and admit that you called Rick sick and that you were WRONG when you denied it. I CAN READ, CAN YOU?
No more coments today. I have stuff to do. But let’s see if you do the RIGHT thing. But I think we all know the answer already.
The Last Word
Oh by the way I’m in my lates 20’s. You can put that in your log book. Once Greg runs your butt down I want my turn MR. Know. It. All.
WTF??
fuck peeonme ….. fuck haley … they are stupid pickpricipal failures,,, an old story ….
BUT NOW …. fuck HLARK CUNT TOO, IF HE DOES NOT DO THE RIGHT THING, AND DUMP THESE TWO ASSHOLES AND HIRE JIMMY JOHNSON TO BE COACH AND GM,,,,, what the mutha fk???!!!! ,,,, HOW FREEKIN HARD IS THIS TO GRASP??
I spotted this early on, it is an easy fix, WTF???
this failure rests squarely on hlark cunt’s shoulders … he will be sorry when he looks back in 5 years ,, and wonders why the once mighty Arrowhead only has 10,000 in it on Sundays.
Old Man Kissel
Whitlock Pwned Ego-li again today. Haley quit on this team today. They just wanted to run out the clock in the second half.
Hey Todd Baby, where are all those new 22 players you told Brian Waters so much about?
JoHawk
Ever notice when a player, ANY player, makes what The Bully concludes is an error, he goes absoultely ape shit. But when he makes a mistake, he says “I’m a rookie Head Coach.”
What a puss.
WTF?
how many weeks will it take these “its only been X weeks, give them a chance” people to realize what I KNEW/saw/REALIZED in the preseason?? ……. THIS IS A FREEKIN DEBACLE …
Hlark Cunt PLEASE FIRE haleyboy … FIRE peeonme … AND HIRE JIMMY JOHNSON (OR BILL COWHER) TO BE GM AND COACH…DO IT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE….
THIS FKN IDIOT NON-PLAYER NON-COACH HALEYBOY AND THIS IDIOT COUNTRY CLUB DOUCHEBAG PEEONME, TALK ABOUT ACCOUNTABLILITY … WELL …. ARE THEY HELD TO THE SAME RULES??!!!
TALK IS CHEAP….FIRE THEM!!!! or I will fire the Chiefs…your choice. This is sickening.
RUN THEM OUT ON A RAIL….
BRING IN JIMMY JOHNSON!!!
rick
Thanks for having my back Word. He’s a knucklehead. And your comments are right on. He was wrong. You called him on it. Now he’s disappeared. Maybe in Mexico MO. It’s hard to argue with insanity.
Uncle Dick
jojo is like ‘roids- once they appear, they rarely go away, have various degrees of annoyance, but are always a pain in the ass.
rick
amen
steven
I have read the sites here. It appears that there’s some anger issues here. And rick, no offense, but a grown man who gets excited when he
opens a pack of baseball cards is weird. Have you informed your neighbors of this condition? Have you check in with the proper authorities yet. Sorry but you are strange! That is weird.
rick
Steven you may read but you don’t understand. I have never purchased a pair of baseball cards as an adult. If you had READ what i wrote I was reminiscing about how I as a KID I would get excited about opening up a pack of baseball cards. Jeez it just amazes me how people can read stuff and twist it all around. And then just become obsessed with some minor remark you make. As a kid it was EXCITING to go on a roller coaster ride. As an adult it makes me want to puke. Still love the bumper cars. And quite frankly their is a few of you knuckleheads that I would like to run over in one. Man, it is bad when you have to spend three months explaining a one line remark to dipsh*t’s that have no common sense. But hey….maybe I just have anger issues. Why would I be angry JUST BECAUSE I HAVE TO EXPLAIN SOMETHING 12,000 TIMES!!!! Grr….. I think its WEIRD that a few of you don’t get it. Which tells me Jo-Blow’s family has been breeding to much.
rick
Oh and by the way….I find baseball boring. Nothing exciting about baseball since Morganna. That and Brett retiring. Zack may be a great ball player but he induces me into a coma.
rick
Uncle Dick please tell a joke to reduce the pain. I think you should pass a IQ test before allowed to post your thoughts. This site would be down to a dozen people and Hearne may be in trouble.
rick
I love this line “Rick, no offense.” And then goes on to call me strange and weird. Yeah sure Stephen I would take no offense to that. What a moron. And you call me weird and strange. That takes the cake. Please return to your meth lab in Independence.